The LYLAS Podcast
If you know what LYLAS stands for, then this podcast is for you! Two besties since middle school turned moms and psychologists dish on "the good, the fun, and the yucks" of life! We're tackling all things mental health, "mom balance" (whatever the hell that is), transitions in life (divorce, career, aging parents, parent loss, loss of friendships), self-care, travel, healthy habits, raising kids, and allllllll the things us midlife mamas are experiencing. We hope each week listeners feel like they just left a good ol' therapy session with their bestie! We'll dish on all the tips and tricks to keep your mental health in check and enjoy this thing called life! Meet your life's newest cheerleaders-- Sarah & Jen! LYLAS!
The LYLAS Podcast
"The LYLAS Podcast, Season 4, Rewriting Our Stories: The Path to Forgiveness"
Ready for a raw and real conversation about midlife challenges? Picture this: you're navigating the emotional ups and downs of perimenopause while grappling with the complex feelings of aging and loss. That's exactly what our summer looked like, and we're here to share our journey as we dive into these struggles head-on. This season, we've got incredible guests lined up, but today's episode is all about forgiveness—a topic that's deeply personal and universally relevant.
Ever found yourself holding onto resentment because you're convinced of someone else's ill intentions? We've been there too. This episode unpacks how our personal narratives can twist our perceptions of others' actions and how sudden shifts in understanding can lead to instant forgiveness. By sharing our own stories, we highlight the importance of considering alternative perspectives and the danger of justifying our own mistakes while blaming others. It's about adopting a more compassionate and balanced view, ultimately leading to healthier relationships.
Forgiveness isn't just about letting others off the hook; it's about freeing ourselves from the weight of negative emotions. Through insights and a touch of Buddhist philosophy, we discuss the profound impact of holding onto anger and how letting go can improve our mental and physical health. Plus, we explore practical tools like meditation and wellness apps to maintain emotional balance. As we wrap up, we're excited to introduce new interactive features for The LYLAS Podcast, inviting you to be part of our community and share your thoughts for future episodes. Join us on this transformative journey—your midlife self will thank you.
Please be sure to checkout our website for previous episodes, our psych-approved resource page, and connect with us on social media! All this and more at www.thelylaspodcast.com
Welcome to LILAS. If you grew up in the 80s and 90s and you know what LILAS stands for, then this podcast is for you. Hey, season four, what's up? Season four, baby. I'm so excited to be back recording. I had on just my typical Viore sweatpants and I was like hell, no, this is season four. Record day press play, let's do this. So I put on like an actual outfit today for this god, good for you.
Speaker 2:And here I am just coming in fresh off of a run in a yoga class. I didn't have the same thought you look cute regardless.
Speaker 1:I just I wanted to celebrate. We're back at it, it feels good it does, it does.
Speaker 2:It's been a long break. We've been busy doing a lot of different things, but I think throughout that time we've both had the opportunity to talk with people who have listened to the show. We've done our re releases for the summer and so thanks to all those who have like downloaded. You know we're still kind of tuning into what we have to kind of say on this, but we are so pumped to really just have this time again to talk to each other. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Right, right, to get back at it. You said long break. I felt like it was a super short break. It was like the shortest summer ever. I felt like I blinked and it was over and I was back to packing lunches again. So I feel like it was just it was. We did a lot in a short amount of time. I would agree with that, but it felt like a short break to me. However, still very excited to be back.
Speaker 1:I was at a birthday party last weekend and several people asked me what the update was with Lylas and I told them that we were getting back to recording this week and I was very excited to be able to share that. So here we are and I'm excited for the topics and the guests that we have identified for this season. So I think that it's going to be some good stuff, some new stuff we haven't even talked about yet. Who thought we would come up with more things to talk about 61 episodes later? Right, I don't know. We're going to be out of it by now, I don't know well I guess.
Speaker 2:But thank god humans are so diverse and our universe is so expansive that we're able just to kind of pick up and cue in on some things, including like today's topic, like whenever we were briefly discussing it. Um, we've never somehow come across and thought about talking about this.
Speaker 1:I don't even know what that says we've just had a lot of other stuff to talk about and it's been, you know. I also think it's like just the phase of life that we're in. We're in a real shit show of life right now. I don't know about you and this something we're definitely going to talk about this season, but I have just like fully accepted the fact that I'm in perimenopause at this point and almost like mad that I didn't recognize it sooner.
Speaker 1:Like you, idiot like all signs were pointing to ding, ding, ding. You know we had talked about it once before on an episode. It's not like I was unfamiliar with the topic, but it's like the and maybe it's just sort of solidified for me here recently. But it's like you're 42 years old, you've probably been experiencing this for a couple of years now and I've just been. I've learned so much about it, so I'm excited to talk about that.
Speaker 1:But if that wasn't enough, as a midlife woman, to have to deal with fucking perimenopause, thank you. Fucking perimenopause, thank you. I just also think there's just there's been so many heavy things happen in this season of life. Right, we're dealing, like we've talked about before, with aging parents and loss of parents. We've covered that in previous seasons and I just think that there's a lot to unpack right now as a midlifer. So I don't think it says anything bad about us that we haven't talked about forgiveness before today. I think it says that we have had a lot of other topics to cover and now it's time to talk about that, because, of course, we talk about things that come up in our life, and this was a conversation we started to have the other day and we said let's press pause and have this on the mic.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that was hard to do because we both just naturally, once we started talking about it, I think you kind of fall into a groove, especially on topics like this, where you're right. Just certain moments or experiences hit you and then you realize you have to kind of pivot what your previous thoughts about something or someone was to them, maybe at times a more compassionate place, maybe at times it's maybe not a compassionate place, but it's just an interesting pause, I guess. Whenever forgiveness comes late, I think we're I don't, I don't know that it ever really comes very soon though, and now that I just said that, I think it depends on the situation and the person.
Speaker 1:There's so many variables there. But I consider myself a pretty forgiving person. Like I don't know, would you agree with that Like I tend to do it pretty quickly and I'm like, okay, let's move on, let bygones be bygones. But there are a few instances in life, particularly in the last, we'll say, 10 years, where I have definitely held grudges or held on to things that you know I was hurt and we've talked about this and I think this is definitely a topic for another day but how we tend to make up stories or not make them up, but we were telling ourselves these stories in our head and then we start to look for evidence to to verify that we're correct, that our story is in fact correct. And I had a situation recently and I'm going to be very careful how I say this, because I know that this isn't public knowledge and you know I want to be respectful of that.
Speaker 1:But I had a situation recently where someone in my past who had previously really hurt me this is sort of how this all came to be I found out something really terrible and tragic had happened to that person and it was like in an instant I felt forgiveness for that person, for everything that had happened. You know, like it didn't matter, it instantly didn't matter and it was something well, I would think a lot of people would agree really mattered. It was not a little deal, it was a big deal and um, but in that instant it was just I can't describe it. I was just like everything's forgiven and um. You know, because when you hear something so terrible, um, a it started to make a lot of things that happen. I know I'm being very vague, so this may be hard to follow, but it it helped me realize a different perspective to what had happened, one that I had never considered before, and now I couldn't ignore it, and it was a very different perspective from what I had previously had. So, you know, it just reminded me that what I had decided in my mind was true. That's what happened, that's how this person hurt me or wronged me or whatever the storyline in your head is, and it is really hard for you to let that go Right, at least for me, it was at this instant, at this instant, and so it just I don't know.
Speaker 1:I think it's forgiveness is such a tricky thing, but now, in thinking about other situations. It's. It's sparked this whole idea of like thinking about other situations in life and how, like maybe my perspective is wrong in that situation too and maybe I need to look at a different look at it from a different angle or a different lens. And maybe I need to look at a different look at it from a different angle or a different lens. And it just has really got me thinking about how we hold on to negative emotions and anger and frustration and hurt and how it affects us and you know, when in all reality, and especially in this situation, there was something totally different going on from what my perception was. I don't know, it's just.
Speaker 1:It's really. It makes you think, makes you analyze things. Right, maybe we don't know everything, maybe we don't have it right. Like it really starts to make you think. I'm only going to pay attention to what I have solid evidence to support, not what I can interpret as supporting my theory. Yeah, what do you have to say about that? I feel like you're sitting on some sort of knowledge over there, oh God.
Speaker 2:I wish Laying an egg over here, right? No, I think it's so hard to do those things in the moment. That's the first thing that comes to my place with it. But you know, as you're talking about the stories that we create unintentionally but based upon our own personal narrative this reminds me of whenever we were at our retreat in Arizona, because that was one of the topics that came up as part of our like morning lessons was like how we will often create stories to verify what we think is right. It's like having that confirmation bias is what you know.
Speaker 2:Back in like psychology world was what we would term that as being. Like psychology world was what we would term that as being. But we all do it and it's very unconscious. But then I was recently at another kind of like Ayurvedic based, but more focused on like meditation and breathing type of retreat and they said something that we often look for intention and mistakes that have been made towards us, but we don't often see intention in our own mistakes, so we assign it in others but not in ourselves. And by assigning intention behind someone else's behavior, we are also adding anger and resentment to it and then subtracting away our energy and our goodwill and you know all the light, and love or whatever else that we can bring into your world.
Speaker 2:Yeah, by having assigned that intention to someone else's actions. And it does create a misbalance because we're not doing that for ourselves. If I make a mistake, then I'm completely justified because you know, oh, I forgot or I did this, or you know, we make up excuses to justify whatever happened within our misgivings or doings. But then whenever we look at somebody else, it's like, oh, bullshit, you weren't paying attention. You know what I mean. We can go down a whole long line of assigning attention intention and then creating a story behind it, and it's just, it creates that unbalance or misalignment.
Speaker 1:It's so hits the nail on the head that it's the intention behind it, it's the creation of what that person intended behind the behavior. When you assign that intention, you know it's like you're the all knowing of exactly. You know there's so many other possibilities. I think just recognizing that there are so many other reasons it's not to say that we can't take accountability for our behavior and the actions don't have, you know, like a domino effect in many situations, but realizing that there could be so many possibilities for intention, and also in talking about the, the meditation retreat we did, I've started reading the seven principles that you gave me really diving into it.
Speaker 1:So I'm taking like a little bit of the time and I'm really like journaling about it and like I'm tying it all together. I'm doing a lot of things right now, a lot of habit stacking happening over here right now. It's going really well, but anyway, and so I'm in the first law, right.
Speaker 1:Seven laws, which is the law of limitless possibilities, right? Limitless potential or something to that effect, and three things if you want to experience this law of you know, potentiality, three things to focus on are meditation, which I already do every day, so check. The second one is practicing non-judgment. And the third one is to be in nature, right, so nature, connect with nature, grounding, that kind of stuff. And so I was like, okay, I do some of these things already, so I can make a plan for how I'm going to increase this. I'm going to spend, you know, 15 minutes a day meditating, every day this week. I'm going to make sure that I drink my coffee outside and I'm going to go for a run or whatever.
Speaker 1:And then I'm going to really practice non-judgment, which is really hard, non-judgment of self and others, but it is, once you start to acknowledge when you are judging someone, it is really easy to sort of turn it off and be like not my place, like this, this me practicing being non-judgmental, and then you can it's a lot easier to kind of like turn it off. And so I have just found how it's all sort of overlapping, like all of these things that I'm thinking about and experiencing. You know, it goes back to like that non-judgment Don't create. Don't create stories, don't create um, what did you say? I can't think of the word now, but don't create the um An intention, Intention Another person.
Speaker 1:Yeah, uh, the other person's intention for their behavior, Um, um, I don't know which. To me is just not being judgmental, like not judging someone else's behavior and actions.
Speaker 2:Yeah and that, but that is again. It is so hard Like I can sit here and just spout this stuff off Like it's you know what I mean? A gospel. I'm living and walking every day, right, but I'm not one of the 12 here. You know what I mean no-transcript reps or practice in on on that. We'll make it easier at different points of time to kind of do that or to kind of refocus back with it. But it is, yeah, it's tough, like everything else, right.
Speaker 1:It's hard. I think it's more of just like having the conscious, like awareness of when it's happening. I think that to me, that's what I'm looking for when I'm thinking of like am I making progress in these things? Am I like acknowledging times when I'm being judgmental, at least like I'm doing, that I'm at least taking the first step of like oh hey, that's a judgmental thought about somebody. Or your create, you know like it could be something totally different, and so just acknowledging when you're creating, you know like it could be something totally different, and so just acknowledging when you're having that, I feel like it's progress. Right, are you going to like never judge anyone, the rest of you no, nobody's perfect, but it's like just that, like awareness of our thoughts, when you know you can do that, but like think of all the things that we create and the storylines and how, like, friendships end and families end, and like relationships. I mean like so many things, because we create intention and stories.
Speaker 1:And then you know we're willing to like divide from people and like fight, for you know what we've decided is the truth. You know what we've decided is the truth. Yeah, and this is not, like you know, some huge revelation or new that people are talking about. But I know, for me growing up and you know I love my mom, I do, but she can hold a grudge with the best of them and yeah, I think it just that I have always been kind of like like let's move on. Like you know, I've messed up too. Like you know, like I'm always just able to get past things for the most part and sometimes that hasn't served me well, like sometimes, you know, I've been hurt twice. Like shame on me, right. But I think forgiveness is so achievable if we stop to believe that like hey, maybe we don't have all the knowledge to the story, all the pieces, maybe we don't have it all figured out, Maybe this isn't the intention of them behaving in this way.
Speaker 1:Mm hmm, mm, hmm.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and again it's. It's tough, especially whenever you've learned different patterns throughout your life from different teachers, and by teachers I just mean influence, you know, not necessarily like the Instagram, facebook ones, but you know, like our parents or grandparents or friend group, whatever. I mean, we're all, we're all constantly learning and observing through our environment and that serves as the person who we become, until we're probably at this midlife point where we're like, hey, you know what Some of this stuff might've not been serving me too well, so I might just have to kind of like step back a bit and pivot again, not necessarily abandoning, but just be willing to kind of break away from some, um, just unhealthy things that we've been doing. I don't want to call them like habits or behaviors or whatever else there's. That's not general enough. You know what I mean. It's just what we have been doing that has not been maybe as effective as what it could be.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, if it's not serving us, which is what we've taught we talk about that every week, right, like if it's not serving us, it's got to go. And to me, this is one of those things, like it's not serving us to create these narratives. And, you know, I think about all the like just law, like the negative feelings I've had towards this person over the last several years and like I had no idea what was happening you know, like I.
Speaker 1:just it's like I don't know we got to think about, we've got to think about you know, is it worth it at the?
Speaker 1:end of the day Is it worth the stress and the havoc that it wreaks on our body? And the more I learn and the older that we get, we need to really try to keep our cortisol down and like homeostasis right, that's like the name of the fucking game. Right now it's like keep everything equal, keep your blood sugar equal, like all the things. That's always been your case, but now it's like extra, because now you're going to age extra fast if you don't and all the other things right.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:But I mean, in all seriousness, you're trying to just keep everything tranquilo or at least that's what I'm trying to do right now and if part of that is releasing anger and frustration and forgiving people for things I've forgiven people for way, way, way worse, like why couldn't I forgive that? That's fair, you know. So, like just like really starting to think about that kind of stuff and I hate, I hate that it had to be such a terrible situation to see something from a different perspective, but I feel like unfortunately that happens a lot.
Speaker 2:No, it happens to all of us all the time. It takes that to for us to sometimes see gratitude. It's the unfortunate, you know, side of the world at times, or of ourselves at those moments. But even with forgiveness, I think, as I'm hearing you talk about it, two things come to mind. One just because we've forgiven a person does not mean that we have to reach back out and be buddies with them or that we have to have a relationship with them.
Speaker 2:Forgiveness is not so much about the other person, it's about ourselves. Right, it's about not letting that yeah, it's about not letting that toxicity continue to be within us. Like there's that old Buddhist saying that, um, like, what anger is whenever you um, what is it? Uh, you drink poison and expect somebody else to get sick. You know that's not how this kind of thing works. And so, um, forgiveness is more about ourselves and not about the other person. So, even if you and that's really just decreasing your attachment to the emotional components of the behavior or of the relationship, that doesn't mean you reinvest in the relationship or that you you know what I I mean try to make some other type of amends on your behalf, especially if it's not a great situation or whatever, but it really is about you as the individual putting that right.
Speaker 1:I couldn't agree with you more like am I going to reach out to this person? Absolutely not. Like I'm just not going to, like that's just not no right. Um, because, at the end of the day, what happened like it was, still wasn't good, like it was still a very terrible thing that happened, um, now I just understand why it happened, that's fair. I think that is where I could like go of the anger and the intent, like the intent wasn't there and I know that now, which is very different when you feel like someone has harmed you purposefully versus you were you know a bystander or you know innocent bystander, because, just, it has a different, different attachment to that pain and that anger that goes with it Definitely.
Speaker 2:Definitely anger that goes with it, definitely definitely. I think the word resentment comes up a lot whenever I think about forgiveness, because if you're still harboring that emotion in particular, then you've really never moved to that forgiveness. Part Right happened and so and resentment is again. It's like a long, it's like a long form cancer that's just eaten away at you. You know, maybe you can't even necessarily detect it in a sense, but it is living and eating away at you big time.
Speaker 1:And yeah, I think you may not know, sometimes like you're saying, like you don't even, like I wouldn't have said that I was like harboring all this ill will, but the moment I heard that and I was like, oh, it's like the weight that I felt. I was like oh that was affecting me more than I recognized, or like I had some real feelings about that. Yeah, ill all this time later, you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then you think about that and again nonjudgmentally but how much of our own time or energy or whatever else has then been, I don't know, tainted in a way, because we've had that grayness kind of I don't know over our eyes and we weren't able to see all the light that was coming through kind of a thing, all the color.
Speaker 1:So just trying to see the light over here.
Speaker 2:People just trying to see the light over here.
Speaker 1:People Just trying to see the light Go towards the tunnel. That's right, see the colors, whatever it takes.
Speaker 2:But it is so hard. Is that conscious? I think it's a. They call it conscious communication. There's different. It's conscious living. It's living within your own conscious state and recognizing what is happening within that place. And it's not always easy to do. We're easily distracted, but even in those points of time it's like a conscious awareness that you're being distracted by something.
Speaker 1:Right, it's like when you're meditating and your mind drifts to a thought and you're in.
Speaker 1:Then you drift back to your mantra, but you know, it's like that awareness of like, oh yeah, I'm thinking about something else when I'm I'm supposed to be concentrating on my mantra or whatever you know, focusing on my breath or whatever you're supposed to be doing at the moment. That conscious awareness I will say too. Again, we have talked about meditation a lot and we will probably talk about it more because it's a real passion of mine personally. But you know the practice of it I am noticing the practice of it is so, oh, it's getting so good, like two years into this and you just the way you can drop in and so easily get to that place of just real clear like presence is really. I mean, you know it's, it's all the hype, it's all the people talk about, like, the more you practice anything meditation is so different, is no different, no different than anything else. It just keeps getting better and better and the results, I feel like in what you take away from your practice, just keeps getting better.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and your depth then has really changed too. Like you listened, we've talked about this a bit, but you're picking up on different apps or different ways that you've kind of gone about and helped along that journey, so it doesn't become stagnant too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I just tried new things. Like being open is really big. I tend to be very much a creature of habit and once I find something I stick with it. But just being open to new experiences and what that might do, and you know, at first I didn't really like it the new app I'm using but now I'm like you know, no, I don't want to use anything else. I did go back the other day and use my Melissa Wood app. I use it all the time for her workouts, but I used it for meditation and it was still great and it was a great. It was a nice change of pace to do something different. So, yeah, I like having all the tools. I'm just all like put them all in the bag, you know, like bring them all along because everything works so far, like it's working Well and again, that's again because I think we're now willing to go to the tool store and start to buy them.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean. That's again because I think we're now willing to go to the tool store and start to buy them. You know what I mean. Instead of just use the tools that we were given by life, we're now in the process of creating our own kit to assist with right, and we're not just buying them, we're like using them.
Speaker 1:You're using the tools, you're practicing the tools. Even if, like day-to-day, you're not seeing the progress, it's the long-term progress that you're saying, where you're like wow, this is working, you know if I could just get like the perimenopause piece in place.
Speaker 1:Figure that out. I am diving heavily into cycle syncing. It's a real focus for me for the next, I'm gonna say, three months. I'm sure we will cover it again Because I am Like I said, I'm going deep, you're going in the practice zone. I am going in the practice zone, I am going to be the guinea pig Because I've, you know, like, all that shit's true, all that shit they say is true when you get to your 40s, it's wild. It's wild, yeah, annoying, and it's wild and like, why haven't we figured this out?
Speaker 2:yet people.
Speaker 1:I know, yeah, it's 2024. How have we not figured out hormone?
Speaker 2:hacking.
Speaker 1:We're not paying attention to it. Besides synthetic like how have we not figured this out yet? But apparently people think they have, and it's called cycle syncing. And I'm down to try it, because what do I have to lose at this point? Amen, this perimenopause belly ain't going nowhere. She's here I know good god, um, what else are we going to talk about this season, season four? Well we have a great list Super interesting guests on board and some we still haven't reached out to yet. But I think the list.
Speaker 2:Yes, it's on the to-do.
Speaker 2:It's on the list the list and so we have some new things to it with the show as well. So if you have some ideas, you can actually text the show now. Have some new things to it with the show as well. So if you have some ideas, you can actually text the show now. So whenever you are using whatever podcast platform to listen to it, it has an option. If you scroll that, you can text the show. Text us your ideas, it'll come straight to us. You know we'll text you back if we're able to thank you for it. We'll send you some swag in the mail or whatever, but you know your all's feedback is always so helpful within this entire process. So that's some I think we're going to redive back into healthy habits because, as you mentioned, whenever we first started this podcast, you had your daily five. The daily five is now increased.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, it's like the daily 15 now, but I do it in the amount of time that the daily five, like you know, since you have it stack, you do habits on top of habits and, yeah, that's a lifestyle.
Speaker 2:Yes, but actually like coming into touch with that and how these habits have evolved to not take up more time, but to give us more time to, kind of like, enjoy our life and to be there within the moment. And so it's. It is about finding the most efficient ways in order to make that kind of stuff happen, so it's not like we're getting up at four o'clock in the morning. You know, at least I'm not um and doing all this kind of stuff.
Speaker 1:I know this one does I like to get up early, though that's my time, that's my jam.
Speaker 2:I thought I was an early morning person too, and then you're like up at like five and I'm like I'm here at 6 15. Is that cool, I mean?
Speaker 1:I. I go for my run or my walk at 6 15, but by then I've already had my ag1 and hot water with lemon and I've meditated and packed lunches she's like I made two loaves of bread, yeah but the habit stacking, and we will definitely dive in, dive into this Cause I've thought a lot about this lately too.
Speaker 1:Um, it is really just created out of things that I like to do. I have just created a routine of things that I enjoy, that are good for me, and that's how it's evolved, and so I think that that's it's something that I look forward to every day. It's not like, oh, I gotta get all these things done. It's like I get to meditate, I get to get outside for my sunlight, I get to take the dog for a walk or go for a run or move my body, whatever I'm doing Right, so, yeah, so that's a good word.
Speaker 2:Well, I get to that's. That's actually seen it as like this is like something we should be proud that we have the opportunity to take part in. You know, it's like this is the blessing that I have, the I can, I get to do this, it's like winning an award. So that's definitely some of them we've talked about. Really, just as we're coming into this as you said, season kind of place or whatever just how do we live unapologetically as ourselves, and so that'll be fun Mm fun. I think that'll be great.
Speaker 1:Yes, I'm excited for that conversation. We'll just end that one because I don't. I don't want to give too much away. I think that's going to be a really fun conversation, since we already started that one as well and had to pause for the cause.
Speaker 2:Pause for the cause. Developing Quest, I think, was another one that we had kind of mentioned. Yeah, and so can you talk a little bit about that one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I need to send you an article to read before it, but it's basically just looking at goals as quests rather than goals. So it's like trying to achieve quests, sort of gamifying it a little bit more. We probably need to develop that one out a little bit more, but it was all based on this article my husband sent me and then we did this conversation we had. So that's where and I like that whole idea of like really looking at your bucket list that's another journal I'm using right now the bucket list journal. I love it. I've got like 30 something things written down for my bucket list. That's another journal I'm using right now, the bucket list journal. I love it.
Speaker 1:I've got like 30 something things written down for my bucket list and at first I was like I won't be able to think of that many things. But once you work through the journal this specific journal it sort of like helps you figure that out. Before it category. It has like eight or 10 different categories and then, before you know it, you've got like three or four things for each one and so, yeah, anyway, I just love that whole idea of like turning our goals into like these. Like you know, this quest of like can I achieve it? Because it's really about it's not even about like the achievement of the goal, it's the process of getting there. It's the process of getting there and so really trying to maybe enjoy that a little bit more.
Speaker 1:I know, let's see We've got like we said. I don't want to say too much about guests because we haven't firmed up all the details or their show topics, but very interesting Some of the ideas that we have. So really excited about that. Before we go, we're going to sign off this is our first episode, season four but there is one thing we want to ask from you. You're going to hear it at the end of probably every episode this season. We don't ask for much. We're the little show that could.
Speaker 1:We're so grateful for all of our listeners. Everybody that reaches out. It makes it literally makes our day. So if you please, if you are a listener and you love the show, please give us a review. On whatever platform you are listening to us, whether that's Spotify or Apple, whatever, wherever you listen to your podcast, leave us a review. We will be eternally grateful. And yeah, I think that's, I think that'll do it for show number one. No, season four, it's great. Show number 61. It's crazy, crazy, crazy. Before we know it, you're going to have a season five Right.
Speaker 2:If we would have not listened, if we would have listened to a little voice in our head, we may have never been here, but here we are.
Speaker 1:Here we are All these hours later. Thank you to our listeners. Thank you to seth. He's coming back for season four to listen to these, uh, these midlife first talk. So he's in for another season. So are we until next week. Y'all liless Bye.
