Going Flat With Confidence: Rebuilding Style & Identity After a Mastectomy

A “pea-sized” lump. A decision that changes everything. We sit down with TEDx speaker, breast cancer survivor, going flat advocate, and fashion blogger Erica Deligne to talk about what happens after diagnosis when the medical choices end and the identity work begins. Erica opens up about the first year after going flat, the pressure women carry to meet a certain look, and the surprising freedom that can come from choosing health and longevity over expectations. We also get real about fashion: why so many clothes are still not made for flat bodies, how breast forms can be a practical tool for certain outfits, and how personal style can become a daily act of self-respect.

Then the conversation shifts to breast health and early detection in a way we wish every woman heard sooner. Erica shares how a self-breast exam, not a mammogram, leads her to find a lump and push for next steps, plus why knowing your family history can change monitoring and biopsy timing. We also dig into dense breast tissue concerns and how staying familiar with your own body can be genuinely life-saving.

We round out with prevention-minded habits and healing practices: alcohol and breast cancer risk, environmental toxins in products, lymphatic drainage support through movement and sweating, and the mindset piece that ties it all together. Erica’s definition of inner beauty sticks with us: peace held within, not something added on. If you want a grounded, honest conversation about body image after mastectomy, informed consent around reconstruction, and practical wellness tools like meditation and sauna routines, press play.

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Welcome And The Going Flat Choice

SPEAKER_00 0:12

Hey folks, it's Sarah Stevens with the Lila's Podcast, and we are picking up right where we left off with the fabulous Erica Deline, our TEDx speaker, breast cancer survivor, going flat advocate, and fashion blogger. Listen in today as she dives more into how she helped to redefine fashion as well as her personal identity after going flat. She also talks about the importance of doing that monthly breast exam and provides wonderful resources on her website, Delightfully the Line.

SPEAKER_02 0:43

I would say it took me a full year to go through all the seasons to understand my new body. And I think over the years too, I think I've become more comfortable in things that I wasn't at first. But and then you get to the point where it's like there's a level of true freedom in that choice.

SPEAKER_01 1:08

For sure.

SPEAKER_02 1:09

Going against the pressure of society to look a certain way and knowing that you did the right thing for the health of your body. And so then sometimes I want to dress to provide like, yeah, I'm flat. Like I did what I needed for me and for my longevity here while on earth, because it's a short time while we are here. And life is not fulfilling if you feel like crap. And illnesses can take that away from you, steal your joy and everyday situations. And so, yeah, like I own it confidently and proudly. There are sometimes I do wear breastworms um with certain tops and dresses that just have extra material there because in the fashion world, we're not there yet. We're miles light years away from like designing specifically for

Dressing For Identity After Mastectomy

SPEAKER_02 2:05

flat women, which maybe one day I can help change that. Maybe that's your next yeah, yeah. I mean, definitely goals of mine, um, for sure. So, but yeah, I I like to be a voice for women who are flat and you know, in the fashion space um specifically, just because I do feel like how we present ourselves, we do that through clothing and you know, our individuality and how we choose and what we wear each day. Like, you know, I love sometimes to just address accordingly to my mood each day, you know. I'm feeling fun, happy. I'm like, okay, I'm gonna wear color today. But you know, normally I'm in girls because just you can mix and match a lot easier. But uh yeah, I think that style is a form of individual expression. And I think all women to and all women have a style capability within them. It's just learning what you like and what you don't like, what fits your body great, and like buying multiple things and what you do like, and you know, being able to mix that with other things in your closet, um, and thinking outside of the box. And a lot of times that's what when people will hire me for to do a style session, it's to help them maximize what they already have and then add in key pieces um that they're missing while complete more looks. Yeah. So that has got to be so empowering. Yeah. I enjoy meeting all the women I do, and a lot of them, you know, a lot of them are breast cancer patients who have gone flat. And then there's other regular women who just want help maximizing their wardrobes. And you know, I just love being able to empower women to feel more confident in everyday, like daily situations. Sometimes it's just hiring me to help you pack for a trip. I do that as well.

Wardrobe Styling And The Sudoku Packing Method

SPEAKER_01 4:10

That's awesome. Gosh, I could use some help with that. I don't I feel like I always take the wrong things.

SPEAKER_02 4:18

Take the wrong thing. Well, the Sudoku method. The Sudoka method is like a lifesaver where you know, have you ever played Sudoku?

SPEAKER_01 4:26

I have played it, but I've never heard of this method.

SPEAKER_02 4:29

Yeah, so you basically stick to neutrals and you line them out. Like it's three rows, right? Um three or four rows. But anyways, you want to be able to match, you should match diagonally and crisscross, or like, you know, perpendicular, 90 degree. You could you should be able to match outfits in all categories of your clothing and those rows.

SPEAKER_00 4:57

How um, so I have

Finding A Lump Through Self-Exam

SPEAKER_00 5:00

to take you back for a minute because you mentioned different seasons that you go through. And can you take us back to the season that you were in whenever you found out that you had cancer? Because what I remember from your story before is that this was a self-exam. This wasn't found on a mammogram. And you are a single mom with your own business. So can you take us back to that moment and like how you kind of found out? Because I think that this is like a truly life-saving thing. I have started touching my breast every day because now I'm wanting to make sure that, you know, I need to get a familiarity like first with like what's there before I assume that something's wrong. And the only way you're gonna do that is through touch. And, you know, me going to my OBGYN once a year for her to feel in my breast after she's felt thousands of people, she ain't gonna remember what's in these tits, you know, and I don't expect her to.

SPEAKER_02 6:04

Yes. And so thank you for bringing that up because yes, it was through a self-breast exam. And oddly enough, like I felt my breast regularly in the showers, and um, I felt like the it was like a small pebble that was on my right breast sitting off to the right of my areola. And it just was like a pea size almost. And I was like, it it was a little bit concerning just because I felt like it appeared out of nowhere. Like two weeks ago, it was so thankfully I already had OBGYN appointment coming up, and I think it was like two weeks away. And so she did the clock exam on me, and I guess from where it was positioned and it was lining into the armpit, there was concern there. And then also my family history of having uh my paternal grandmother, she had breast cancer. So that knowing that history has everything to do with your medical diet, um, you know, your moving forward with what they do next. Because, like, I'll give an example. My sister, she forgot that our grandmother had breast cancer. So she never put the family history on her paperwork. Whereas I didn't, she was monitored six months every six months for the lump that she found in her breast. After my cancer diagnosis, that immediately changed the game for her. And they immediately biopsied her um her, yeah, her lump, um, which mine was immediately biopsied because I had the family history on my paperwork. So that had a lot to do with your next steps and how it's monitored. So definitely please know your family history because I was 38 at the time and I wasn't due for a mammogram until 40. So that would have been two years that that cancer would have to grow in my body. And I think that it saved my life, me finding it, you know, through a self-breast exam. Some women aren't as fortunate and they don't feel the lumps because they're deep inside. My lump was very super. It was very, very odd. Um, but a lot of women can't fill those lumps. So it's really important for when like you do your self-breast exams to really put pressure down into the breast tissue and like really pay attention to any lumps that may feel just any larger than some women, unfortunately, have their breasts. I did, um, which my mammogram didn't even show the like because my breast tissue were so dense. Um, but the biopsy confirmed that it was cancer.

SPEAKER_01 9:02

I find this so interesting. I had never been told my entire life that I had dense breast tissue. And the last two mammograms I've had, I get this report, you know, saying you have dense breast tissue. And I'm like, literally nothing has changed. But I kind of in some way feel like it's a CYA of like, oh, well, we might not see it because you have dense like I would I I'm curious if anybody gets those reports that that says you

Family History Dense Tissue And Biopsy Steps

SPEAKER_01 9:30

don't have dense breast tissue anymore, just because uh it feels like they're just covering their ass at this point.

SPEAKER_02 9:37

So I think that the one thing that I've learned that I think contributes to dense breast is alcohol consumption because alcohol consumption, the enzyme that breaks down alcohol in the liver, is also found in breast tissue. And there's a byproduct that's a toxin, acetaldehyde, that is gets put into your body. It's basically poison for your body, but your breast tissue don't have any ways to eliminate it because there's but only slow only through lymphatic flow. So that's really important for women to do saunas, to sweat as much as possible to get those toxins out of the breast tissue because the liver functions, you know, on its own. But the breast tissue, you know, you're relying on only lymphatic flow. There's no like muscle like blood flow going through that breast fat tissue. And unfortunately, our fat tissue, and that's where toxins love to the most. It's just kind of like a you know, battle zone to if you think about it. So the more you sweat and like, you know, do massages and you know, really work out, you know, you know, definitely do your lymphatic flow exercises, do a shakeboard. You know, the more you move that lymph flow, the better for the health of your breasts.

SPEAKER_01 11:09

Wow. I didn't know that. Hot tip, hot tip number two. Yeah, that's important.

SPEAKER_02 11:13

Yeah. Well, because you know, if you which I I drank a lot more back in the day than I do now after learning what I've had. Um, but you know, alcohol is a big, big contributor to breast cancer, unfortunately. Absolutely. Right. And I don't want I don't want to scare women with this information or not, but I do want them to be aware of it. I was unaware of it when I was diagnosed. And um, you know, I I think that even moderation, it's like you risk just because that enzyme is inside your breast tissue, converting and putting that poison inside the tissue. And the toxins just accumulate. And I think that's a prime personally, I think that's a very primary um factor that causes breast cancer. And you know, along with you know, environmental toxins, you know, it there's just no great way to get rid of the toxins in the fatty tissue of the breasts. So, you know, your products, your lotions, your unfortunately, women are more susceptible to all these toxicity levels of products because we use so many different products on a daily basis. So it's really important to make sure, you know, watch out for fragrance, um, you know, phthalates and anything endocrine disruptors. And I there's a big debate on aluminum deodorant or whatnot, but I I try I definitely switch to non-aluminum and you know, healthy, more healthy deodorants because that goes right into your lymphatic system right here. And you put it on every day, like put it on every day, and maybe twice a day if you work out. Like, yeah, so for sure. Just a lot of things that women are at risk for.

SPEAKER_00 13:15

So again, without knowledge that we are doing it or what our options are if it happens, you know. We're just walking around the hunky dory trying to just make it one moment to the next, whenever. Just trying to smell good, you know.

SPEAKER_02 13:31

Yeah, I mean, you know, I have always lived a very stressful life as a single mom and entrepreneur, you know, that life is stressful. So at the end of the day, I was having a glass of wine or two, you know, just to like decompress. And that's a big no-no. So I guess uh I don't like to say that's what caused my cancer. I think it was stress, honestly. Stress and all the factors, and I was unaware of the toxic products I was putting on my body. So it's a it's not one thing that causes, but there are things that you can put in place to help prevent those

Alcohol Toxins And Lymphatic Health

SPEAKER_02 14:10

things from building up um on a daily basis. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:17

To go to this too, because you mentioned mourning or being in different seasons. Um, a year after you had your breasts removed, did you mourn them? Like, did you ever like miss them? Because I know that whenever some people have different elements of reconstruction or have to have an amputation, you know, I would see them in my office. Like we had to say goodbye to the leg. You know what I mean? We had to have these kind of moments where people um missed a piece of themselves as a part of their healing process. Was that something you went through as well?

SPEAKER_02 14:48

Yeah, of course. I mean, of course. Now I never identified with my breasts. Like I never would I would never dress with the focal point of my breasts. I've always been the more modest, covered up um type dresser. So like I never expressed that sexuality in dressing. So like I didn't miss it as much as what maybe some other women would. Um, but I definitely, yeah, I had pretty breasts. Like I missed them. You know, they're and I loved the sensation that they gave you. Um, but unfortunately, I also knew that if I were to reconstruct and have breast mounds, they weren't gonna have any sensation for me. No, yeah, and like, you know, that's gone either way you looked at it. So yeah, since I went flat, like I do still have I have like my sensation back on my chest wall and everything. But uh yeah, unfortunately, you don't get your sensation back whenever you choose reconstruction.

SPEAKER_00 15:54

So yeah.

SPEAKER_02 15:57

But yeah, losing a bar a body part is hard no matter how you look at it, because it's change um and it's a new identity, right? Like um, but at the end of the day, you just have to love, you know, yourself and who you are, your soul, and like know that your purpose here is not to, you know, have breasts for someone else. Your purpose is so much bigger than that. And so I just hope that message kind of gets spread a little bit more for women to feel more comfortable um in choosing the healthy option for their bodies to recover from. And if not, that's their choice, and that is a very valid choice as well, because some women just can't imagine a life without breast. And that's okay. They're just that's their stage of growth, and that's where they are, and sure. That's totally acceptable. Um but just being informed. Right. Just being informed is what is the key part that's missing. You know, the the challenges and the emotional roller coasters of the women who face you know complications is what is really hard to read some of the stories. You know, the breast implants cause a cytokine storm in your body. Whether you start experiencing symptoms, you know, a year later, six years later, like symptoms will start showing, whether they're mild or severe, you know, that depends on your body's immune system. But the inflammation levels in the body after implants are placed are insane. So you just

Mourning Breasts Reconstruction Risks And Implant Realities

SPEAKER_02 17:55

have to keep in mind of what you're putting in your body.

SPEAKER_01 17:58

Right. Yeah. What you're signing, kind of signing up for. But you deliver this um this message in such a way to me, at least the way I receive it, is that this was an opportunity for you to kind of reinvent yourself in some capacity, right? Like when something bad happens. This is really, if we can shift our focus to where's the opportunity in this, I can truly become someone else. You know, our our time on earth is so short. And you know, that that option to reinvent, right? Like, not a lot of people get that option or are faced with something that kind of like forces them into that um perspective. But I just think sometimes when we're going through something really hard, um just to have that that perspective of like, okay, what can I gain from this? Where what good can come from this, right? There's always something that we can find. And I think just that idea of reinvention is so cool.

SPEAKER_02 18:58

Reinvention and freedom from societal partners. Because so much of what our existence is in living is do we meet societal expectations? Are we meeting the needs of others? And that is all illusion at the end of the day, because we are really just truly here to connect, have find our purpose, experience life in this 3D form, you know. Right. Yeah, when you're a perfect, you know, pure soul, like you don't have the experiences of taste, all sensations. You think about it when you go on to the next life, everything's perfect. Like you don't have valleys and peaks to experience, and yeah, that's the beauty of life to experience here. Like it's all about experiencing the lows and the joys and you know, the highs and everything.

SPEAKER_00 20:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:01

But you can't do that great if you don't feel well. And yeah, that's so true. You don't truly feel connected to your higher self or your higher purpose, or what I like to call higher divine consciousness if you feel bad. You think your energy levels are on a very low frequency. And I think my purpose in life is just always trying to maintain the highest level of energy that I can because that's exactly what this whole experience is. It's all it's all based on energies and frequencies, and you attract what you're putting out. Absolutely. You're stuck in that low vibration because you don't feel good on a daily basis. Nothing is ever gonna seem pretty or right you know purposeful or colorful. Um joyful. Yeah. Yeah. It really illness robs you of your joy in comparison, rob you of your joy. And that's what I experienced the most was a certain level of freedom because I was like, screw it. I don't care. I'm gonna get rid of them so I don't have to worry about anything. And I'm gonna focus on my longevity and what my purpose is. And I think that I think that, yeah, more women are doing that. Um and so I think that it they're waking up to it's okay to lose your breasts. It's it's it's not as primary focus as it once was before. Women can make their own money, you don't have to have like, you know, a certain level of attractiveness just because. Um, but I think there's beauty in all of us, and I think it's how you define beauty. Um, but if you do define beauty based On your breasts, then you're probably not going to go flat. And reconstruction is perfectly okay for you as long as you know what you're signing up for and you're willing to take on those risks. Um and that's what I say to everybody. I'm like, it is not a wrong choice for you to choose reconstruction by any means. But as long as you know that these risks could occur and you know these rates and statistics, then absolutely give it a go, try it. And if you have any complications, unfortunately, you're just gonna have to experience another surgery. Either you remove them or you continue, continue and continue to undergo those surgeries. There's one woman specifically that comes to mind. Um, she was the founder of is it the home edit or the edit? Um she was recently featured in People magazine and she was like on her 15th surgery, I think, to try to maintain her breast reaction. And the emotional toll that she has undertaken, she was not prepared for. She had no idea that she would, she couldn't fathom that she would be having this many surgeries to try to keep her breast. But also, at what point do surgeons say enough is enough?

SPEAKER_01 23:30

Right. Right.

SPEAKER_00 23:32

You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 23:33

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:34

This is a cosmetic procedure, it's not a life-saving one at this point. And so they you one would assume I mean, if it was a life-saving procedure, then it's a different course of action. But this, it's like, oh, okay, well, we'll just keep going until we get it right, but it never gets right because it's the procedure that's wrong. So yeah.

SPEAKER_02 23:52

I mean, I think literally her last surgery, like they had taken parts of her muscle from different places of her body to try to, and the last one that I saw that she was undergoing was taking a part of her um back muscle to insert because what was happening was um her breast implant and her healing wasn't taking place, like it wasn't taking. And so like it kept busting out or breaking or getting infected. And um, she was out there to her fifth, 12th or 15th surgery. I can't remember exactly which one, but it was well past 10. And um yeah, it's just at at that point, that's when the that's when the narrative needs to change. Like women need to know it's okay to not have breasts. It's okay. Yeah, like and I I think make you any less of a woman.

SPEAKER_01 24:50

It does not. It doesn't change your gender.

SPEAKER_02 24:54

Yeah, your unconditional love and your ability to nurture and you know, to bring compassion and empathy into this world, emotional intelligence, I like to say. Because a lot of women have that. Um, and I think that's one of our strengths is like being able to bring that into the world and teach others. You know, it has nothing to do with our physical breast. It has nothing to do with what's here, what's in our hearts, you know. I think beauty is very much defined. My Angelo said it best, like people will always remember you by the way how you made them feel, not by how you looked or anything, but how you made them feel. Yeah. And I think that's like the motto that I live by. It's like it doesn't matter who or how you look, as long as you make a person feel great and like happy to be around you, they're gonna look at you in a light that is just like radiant. You know what I mean? Because like your inner gene and your enthusiasm for life and how you make other feel others feel comfortable around you. Like that's what we're here for, is connection.

SPEAKER_01 26:06

The only thing that matters, you know, I'm I'm laughing just because I think about this with my kids all the time. Sometimes I'll, you know, to right now at my kids' age, like I they think I'm just the best thing since sliced bread. Like I'm mom, I can,

Reinvention Purpose And Putting Yourself First

SPEAKER_01 26:20

you know, and they really see me at my ugliest. Like I sometimes I'm like, damn. Uh, but they don't care, right? Because it that's not what they're that it doesn't really matter at the end of the day. It's how you make them feel and it's showing up. And and I think ultimately the message that resonates um with me and I think with our listeners is that choosing ourselves, putting ourselves first as women is so critical. And we have to do it. For so long we were told no, that we're the caretakers of everyone else, but we have to come first. We have to take care of ourselves first before we can take care of anybody else. We have to feel good about ourselves. We have to feel good before we can take care of anyone else. And it's really about listening, putting ourselves first and listening to our intuition. Like to me, that is just the two biggest takeaways from your story. And just as a woman uh who has criticized herself for over 40 years, like at some point, you've got to just put yourself first. What matters to you versus everybody else around you?

SPEAKER_02 27:28

Absolutely. I I think that's the turning point, that's the paradigm, or not the paradigm, but the pendulum swinging back.

SPEAKER_01 27:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:37

You know, it's how women were always taught to please and make sure everyone else was taken care of. And, you know, you can't really do that effectively if you're crumbling inside. Like, you know, taking care of our mental health and um our physical state of well-being, um, and just living, choosing and making decisions that align with the purpose of longevity and optimizing your health, I feel like is needed now because I think it's at we're at a point in time where women are putting themselves first. You know, we've been pushed down for so and suppressed for so long. Uh I mean, God, we just what was it? We were just allowed to like get credit cards on our own in like the 70s or something, 80s.

SPEAKER_01 28:40

Yeah, I mean, you couldn't you couldn't get your tubes tied in the 80s without your husband's permission. I mean, you just think about things like that. It's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 28:50

It's crazy, yeah. We've we've made so much progress. We have. So much progress. And I think that at

Daily Meditation Sauna And Shakeboard Tips

SPEAKER_02 29:00

the end of the day, if you just listen to sit take time. I mean, my biggest thing is meditation, and I think that's what helped me to make the decision that was the healthy decision for my body. Um, and helped me to go against the grain of you know, society and expectations. Um, and I will say in meditation, I was reflecting one morning, and literally the words came to me in quiet and silence. I was just kind of in awe. I was sitting in bed, just staring at the beauty of the sunlight glistening through the trees. And that's when I think time kind of stands still, is when you're captivated by natural wonder, beauty of what's surrounding you. And literally these internal quiet words came to me and said, if you go flat, you will be fine. And it was almost like after I heard those words, my body just became one of tranquility. Like I knew that I was gonna be okay, and I wasn't gonna have to worry about anything if I chose to go flat. Like it was kind of like you know, divine guidance in a way, you know, like how to listen and you pray and ask for guidance, and it eventually comes to you. And I I that's exactly what it was, and you know, all the stress and you know, just God, all the decisions I was facing, you know, everything came to just one of peace. And I'll never forget that feeling. And that's when I realized that, you know, beauty doesn't come from anything that's added to your body, it comes from the peace held within it. Because that's where you really radiate and live within your energy with a peaceful mind and knowing that you're eliminating future problems by that's how I felt, anyways. I was eliminating future risks by going flat. And I just was at peace with that decision immediately after I felt that tranquility come through my body. Um it's a wild thing.

SPEAKER_01 31:27

It is, it's such a great, I mean, it's a great story, and it's just so impressive all the way around. Like I mean, I know this is the second time we've had a similar conversation, but I'm just always, you know, you leave me feeling inspired in so many different ways. Um, and just reaffirming, you know, that truly I love how you said that that peace is because we always say, right, beauty is what counts as the beauty within. Well, what does that mean? I was trying to explain that to my seven-year-old recently. I love how you said that. It's the peace that we hold inside. That's that inner beauty, and that's such a beautiful way to think about it. Umceptualize, right? Like what it's like internally. Um, but that is, I mean, that's the truth. If you're peaceful inside, then it it impacts how you move throughout the world externally. And that's you know, it's such a great. I'm gonna take that and uh explain use that to explain it to my child next time we're talking about it. Because it really is. It's such um a beautiful way to say that.

SPEAKER_02 32:34

We'll we'll wrap this session up saying, leaving a keynote that everyone should find time to meditate because yes, think about it, how crazy our thoughts are. I mean, we have God, I I I forget what the number is on how many thoughts we have on a daily basis, but silence taking creates breaks in the mind, those thoughts. Your mind just actually connect to the energy that surrounds us. Yeah, like I I do into this like whole crazy theory theory. Like, I this is for another subject. I'm about to get into physics now.

SPEAKER_01 33:14

No, but you're so right. Like meditation, uh, we've talked about it several times on this podcast. I meditate every single day. And when you said that, like I could picture, I know exactly that feeling you feel when you uh like for me, when I open my eyes, like everything is more beautiful. I mean, my house could be a wreck, but like the sun coming through the the shit, you know, the blinds, like it's just everything is more beautiful, and there's no other way to describe it than that practice of sitting in silence and silence and do guided meditations if you can't sit in silence, do guided meditations.

SPEAKER_02 33:49

My favorite meditation is the Moses Code of Meditation by James Tywin um and Dr. Wayne Dyer. But I think you can find it on Spotify or Audible, it's on Audible and Apple Music. But it's definitely one that you just tunes in those frequencies of sounds, and then you just wake up and you just feel reset. And it's like if you need like a 40, well, I do 40 minutes, but you can there's a 20 minute. Um, but yeah, there's a 20 minute, and you it's just like a perfect reset for I think everyone should be doing this like in the middle of their day. Just lay down horizontally and do a reset, and then you feel like 10 times rejuvenated.

SPEAKER_01 34:39

I'm a different person. I don't meditate for 40 minutes, but um, I I'm I average like 10 minutes a day. That's intense, but that's the point is like everybody can like there's so many options. There's guided meditations, there's right, you can do something to like it it's like a full body breath, you know. You just yeah, and I can for me I have to do it first thing in the morning because it sets the tone for the day. Um you know the shakeboard. Do you guys have one of those?

SPEAKER_02 35:08

The shake boards that like my mom has one. I don't have one. Okay, ladies, you gotta get one. It's the best like breast reliever too. Like it just loosens up your whole body. Shakes it all out. Shakes it all out and like it moves for lymph flow. Like, so it's like kills two birds with one stone.

SPEAKER_01 35:29

Yeah, I do like lymphatic drainage and dry brushing, and I go for a walk in the morning sun. Like I have like a lot of things that I feel like I don't do the the um the red mask, the red light mask that all the influencers are doing at the moment. Um, and I haven't I haven't, you know, bought the shakeboard yet. I will get on my mom's when I'm home, but um yeah, I'm like I just I'm like that's one more thing. But you know, I might be open to it because people do, you know, my mom's been doing them for doing it for a couple years now. She loves it.

SPEAKER_02 36:01

Um yeah, yeah, it's great. I like to do the dry brushing before I get on there, and then um I actually have one of those. Oh I do a sauna plank. So like I'll just lay in my bed and lay at the sauna.

SPEAKER_01 36:17

Wow. Just sweat it all out right there.

SPEAKER_02 36:20

It's uh well, I love it even better than like being enclosed in the heat because you can breathe so much easier, but you sweat tremendously. So yeah. Okay, I think it's like a higher dose, the one I got. It's really cool. Yeah. Okay. Definitely recommend that to sweat out the sins.

SPEAKER_01 36:41

You are a wealth of knowledge, Erica. We're so grateful that

Resources From Delightfully The Line

SPEAKER_01 36:45

you came back and had this conversation with us. Truly, truly. Thank you so, so much. Um where can we find you? What's your handle on Instagram?

SPEAKER_02 36:53

So Instagram is delightfully underscore the line, and that is spelled D-E-L-I-G-N-E. And from there, you can go to my website and it has all the free guides for any woman for your closet, for you know, toxin-free wardrobe, you know, you name it, after diagnosis, free guide. Um, and if you're flat, there's a style guide on there as well. So I love that lots of lots of tools and resources there.

SPEAKER_01 37:25

She's a great follow. I have really enjoyed your content since um the first time we met. So great follow if you're not following her already. Make sure that you check her out at the Lady Deline. And uh, I think that's all we've got until next week, y'all. Lila. We're out awesome.