The LYLAS Podcast
If you know what LYLAS stands for, then this podcast is for you! Two besties since middle school turned moms and psychologists dish on "the good, the fun, and the yucks" of life! We're tackling all things mental health, "mom balance" (whatever the hell that is), transitions in life (divorce, career, aging parents, parent loss, loss of friendships), self-care, travel, healthy habits, raising kids, and allllllll the things us midlife mamas are experiencing. We hope each week listeners feel like they just left a good ol' therapy session with their bestie! We'll dish on all the tips and tricks to keep your mental health in check and enjoy this thing called life! Meet your life's newest cheerleaders-- Sarah & Jen! LYLAS!
The LYLAS Podcast
The LYLAS Podcast, Season 4, Episode 67, "Kids Are Tough"
What happens when even clinical expertise can't make parenting any easier? Today, we're sharing our personal stories from the ever-evolving world of parenthood, where each day brings a new challenge, and no amount of training can fully prepare you, LOL! In this candid episode, we invite you to "waller with us!"
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Welcome to LILAS. If you grew up in the 80s and 90s, you probably know what that stands for. We're head of sister, sister and my default. This podcast is for you.
Speaker 2:That's it season four, episode 67, I've double checked that, you know that. Well, I looked beforehand, so don't give me credit for some. I made an effort to look because I knew that it would come up, so and I wrote it down because I would have forgot it there you go, go Using your tools.
Speaker 2:That's it, me and my tools. It always has to be written down. Jeff asked me the other day. He was like so how do I get you to remember to do something? And I'm going to write that down now, because he didn't write it down. I said you have to write it down, I have to see things visually in order to know them, and if not, then you could tell me 10,000 times, but it just ain't happening. So I'm going to write that down now on the list.
Speaker 1:In the moment.
Speaker 2:Well, welcome to today's episode. We've been talking with a lot of people. Last night I was at a dinner and one of my friends was telling me how much she listened to the podcast and was really looking forward into what we're going to be discussing on today's topic, because I think she was just feeling like she was just kind of over it too. And what we're talking about is kids are tough. Kids are hard.
Speaker 2:I am more than certain I was a very difficult child, but I don't remember my parents. This is just different perspectives, I guess experiencing difficulty. You know what I mean with my maybe they just let me run wild, probably that they probably let me run like a feral cat around. Um, that would be my guess. That's why they didn't. We're just gonna let this one go See what happens. Yeah, we are, but it's really tough and I think that we're just kind of, you know, we're midway through like the first ending of like school, whether it's on a six or nine week kind of pattern and stuff. We're transitioning into a new season, literally. And then, you know, within our own lives too, and just dealing with the day to day stuff, it's just right now they feel heavier than normal maybe.
Speaker 1:Well, and it's oh, it's constantly changing because they're constantly changing and we're constantly changing and it just feels like a roller coaster and I thought it was maybe just me. Like my vibes are low. Rolling on day five of single parenting, I'm just like being tired. You know, I'm just tired of everything as you can imagine, and I'm not complaining. I love my kids. Everything as you can imagine and I'm not complaining. I love my kids. You know, I think, if anything, I'm acknowledging how helpful my husband is, my partner is, and it's hard when he's not here to maintain our lifestyle and all the things, doing all the activities and you know, making a million meals a day and thinking about planning for the next day and just the logistics of it all. And then you throw in, like your kids and their own, you know emotions and needs and well, it just yeah, it's a lot, it's hard and it's a lot. I don't care who you are and how good you got it, it's hard.
Speaker 2:Or even what your skill set is, you know, I mean, are we clinically trained to understand and kind of deal with this stuff? Sure, but we're not becoming professionals whenever we're at home, you know, right, I think that that's one piece of it, or it's just still. It's a part of being. Just because you have understanding in one area of life does not mean that it it makes it easier at all for you to kind of be in that position and kind of go through it. So it's rough. So, specifically, what are we getting at here? Where are we at?
Speaker 1:Where are we at? Great question what were you thinking? I just asked you this what were you thinking?
Speaker 2:Well, I think for me and this is just a again a great difference is that I don't recall. Maybe this is just perspective. Maybe in 20 years from now I'm going to go back and listen to this podcast and it's going to be on the internet forever and see if things have changed. Our son is 20, he'll be 21. In February and I just don't remember.
Speaker 2:Honestly, I don't remember much of anything about him ever being tough. Like he's just easy. Like life on easy street is life with Cameron like he's just very um, he's internally motivated, um, his biggest fear in life is probably to disappoint people. So he's always, you know, meeting the mark and he acknowledges that personal growth and development are important. He's dedicated to his passions. He picked great friends like Seth god bless again Seth our editor who have known since he was in kindergarten, his other friends like I couldn't have the Lord said we're gonna get, you know, drop down this perfect egg, and has remained that way. But that's you know. I don't know if it's just well. I don't even think it's that, because now we're raising our daughter basically as a only child, even though you know she's a sibling, because there's a 10 year age difference between the two of them.
Speaker 1:Right, she's very much like a only child in many respects because he doesn't live at home, and I think it's also you know. I think you have to be careful with kids, because I would say a lot of those same things about my son, right, even though he's much younger than Cam, but like a lot of those things are similar, but also like that idea of I don't want them to not know what failure feels like or to not experience disappointment at any point in their life and you know they can be great at all these things and have all these skills, but at the end of the day, like you're preparing them to be adults, right, and it's like I think I don't know.
Speaker 1:I'm just constantly like evaluating you know, what am I doing well, what's not going well? Or you know, where do we see improvement, and you can't help but compare your kids to other people in the way that they're raising their kids. But I don't know it. Just I don't know where I was going with that either.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's tough and it's easy to get caught in those rabbit holes. Right.
Speaker 1:Of, also like not wanting them to think they're better than anybody else. You know, having that sort of attitude, which Cam definitely does not. But you know what I'm saying, like you're constantly sort of acknowledging things that they may be struggling with and giving them you know your perspective of it, but I love how my son says back to me well, mom, that's not my perspective. That's a valid point, son, because I'm a 42 year old woman.
Speaker 2:And here we are.
Speaker 1:See where you're at, you know. But even things like right now my kids are in the very much like they want to be accepted. You don't want to stand out, you know you want to be part of the pack, sort of. And you and I remember that same feeling, but also wanting, also wanting to be like no, like the real truth lies in, like being yourself and like that's where you know, but at nine years old, that ain't it you don't want to stand out, you don't want to be different and um, and that's hard like, how do you teach those like real lifelong lessons without letting them experience where they're at too?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think that it's. It kind of goes back to that one episode where we talked about we can't um shield our kids from feeling those feelings being left out or experiencing hardship, because then it doesn't teach them how to deal with distress later on in life and then they become non-functional adults because they've never had to deal with that. Thank God Cameron plays golf, which teaches him success and failure every single day, right?
Speaker 1:Right, very humbling Sure.
Speaker 2:But I think it takes to just um, I don't know. I think it takes first us just acknowledging where we're at within ourselves and within our space and then seeing the greater picture of kind of what's going on and all of the influences that are now happening to our kids. And that might be another reason why things just were easier in a big way when Cameron was younger, because I was still packing around crayons and paper to restaurants whenever he was a kid and we were drawing. You know, there was no such thing as these kids having like phones or you know, doing like all of like watching YouTube shorts or knowing how to make them, or none of that stuff happened until he was like I don't know, maybe middle school or into high school, whenever that stuff started to kind of emerge. And now, like our kids are younger ones, um, that's all they see, and I think that that just adds a greater element of hardship, almost to say that we haven't experienced.
Speaker 1:The hardest things for me personally is like their screen time. And I mean I've said it before like my kids have entirely too much, I'll be the first to admit it. But you have two working parents that have to get stuff done during the day, like if they're home we had an e-learning day on Friday, last Friday. Like they have to have screen time in order for me. You know, I can't just send them out to be feral and like run around all day Like they. You know, it's just it's not an option and so, yeah, they get way too much screen time.
Speaker 1:And I think that is so hard to reconcile because we want them to grow up similarly to the way that we did before technology. You know, like what was that? Well, there's like gaming consoles, like we had video games. It wasn't to the level of like my kid can literally go from the Switch to the VR to the Xbox to hit roadblocks on his iPad. I mean he has everything and I'm trying to control all these things but screen limits and time limits and it's hard. It's really hard because he loves it. That's the other thing when you talk about like trying to let them just be who they are. I don't love video games, but he does. He wants to talk about them and he wants me to watch him play them, and I don't love that stuff at all. Like would rather do anything Watch him play that is a thing isn, isn't it?
Speaker 1:or like play with him. God forbid when he needs to make me play fortnight with him and it's like I hate this. I would literally rather do anything else and um, but he loves it and so, like I have to, I want to engage in that because it's something that he likes to do. But there's like this constant, like battle of is it too much? Did he get it? You know, and we do a lot of stuff outdoors when it's not one jillion degrees here, but, um, I don't know, it's just, it's a constant battle. It's a concept because you cannot deny it affects their personalities, their behavior. I won't say their personality, but it affects their behavior for sure, when they've had too much screen time.
Speaker 1:I've watched it over and over again with my own kids, like you, are being a total nightmare right now because you've had entirely too much screen time today.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. Or they start like dressing or mimicking or you know and this is maybe more specific to girls in that regard what they see on there and you can do all the parental controls that you want to.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but these kids are A better at it than we are, so let's not sit here and think that we know what we're doing. Unless you're an IT specialist, your kids have got you beat Right Period. I don't care how old they are, but it's just. It's hard then to, I think, challenge those behaviors because they're seeing it as being normative on their screens and then maybe in some of the older peers that they may hang out with or from other people that think it's okay to kind of watch these types of programs whenever they're in other people's care, and then it just creates another element of conflict to things you know we don't have.
Speaker 1:That's a whole nother layer right, like what your kids do at other people's houses, whether it's like an ex spouse or a friend's house. Like you don't have control over that and that in itself is really hard. Like not having control of what your kid is exposed to is hard, yeah, you know.
Speaker 2:Yes, and and that is hard because it's not so much even like the letting go of control whenever they're at some other place it's the influences that they then bring back with them after that, you know, and I mean, like you said, it could be an ex-spouse, it could be a grandparent's house, it could be anybody's, but if they spend time with someone else and then whenever you get them back, they're a different human being, that's a significant amount of change and then conflict that does come with that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, or just that their behavior is very different than typical, than what you're used to, and you know we could go down that rabbit hole too. But at the end of the day it's it just, it's a whole nother layer layer of making this hard. And I don't want this to come off like we're complaining. It's more of just like acknowledging how fucking hard it is and that it's, you know, there and it's not hard all the time. Like there there moments, there are a lot of times where I'm biking with my kids or reading with them at night or, you know, just having a conversation with them, and I think I could bottle this moment up in time, like I love their voices and what they're talking about and, you know, like I really do cherish those moments when they happen. But it is also really hard sometimes.
Speaker 2:Those things can coexist.
Speaker 1:Those things are both true, so I guess I just didn't want it to come off like we're complaining that parenting's hard, like it's a new concept, but more of just like saying what's actually really hard about it, like I can't be the only one that struggles with this whole technology piece and wanting kids to be outside more, and just like not wanting to be on technology. I think that's what it is Like. Given the option, I would rather they always choose like the active thing versus playing a video game. No, I totally Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:No, I totally agree with that. With us, it's like, just because we live in the Stone Age, she does not have like those types of electronics. She has an iPad that she gets from school and that's the only thing that she has, but it's, you know, again, it's still the other influences that can come from exposure at different places. That then, where those things are available, you know, and it's like, okay, how are we now going to try to navigate that, just because it's not here whenever you do have access to it, are we? How do we teach our kids like that effective, like self-monitoring, almost, like, hey, this probably isn't something that we should be watching or doing or whatever else, especially whenever other kids are around doing it?
Speaker 2:You can sit there and say, oh, they'll know, they'll turn it off. You can role play it with your kid, this, that and the other, but that doesn't always turn out easy either, because they're wanting to fit in, they're wanting to get along, they're wanting to be a part of those older crowds, and then again, so much other influences come from that, or just other development of behaviors from it too, like sneaking, like trying to sneak around and get something, because you know other people may not be as observant or you can get away with things at different places and then, whenever you come back to, you know, like our house, those sneaking behaviors aren't going to work Right. Like we don't play that.
Speaker 1:Well, and that has a lot to do with boundaries and just understanding like what's acceptable and what's not in certain situations. Like you don't go to church and scream and holler like full right, Like everybody sort of knows, like the etiquette around it I don't know if that's the right word but just like what you do in church and how you act and stuff like that, for the most part we all know, you know the basics, and so sometimes I think that it's just like understanding boundaries and being really clear on you know consequences, good or bad, based on those boundaries, yeah, but again, like that doesn't mean that those these things are so easy to say but to put them into practice, like everything, is so much harder. Saying this is what we need to do when you go to do it is when it's hard.
Speaker 1:Yeah, being really firm in a boundary Like I know that my kids shouldn't have more than you know an hour a day of screen time but putting that actually into place is really hard because I need them occupied for more than an hour a day when they're in my care. That's right, you know? Yes, so I think just that's what I'm saying. I listen to a lot of podcasts, I read a lot of articles, I watch people on social media and they give a lot of suggestions, but we forget about how hard the practice of doing this really is. And it is a practice and you know, some days it goes really well and some days it doesn't. It's like it's just, it's not linear progress for sure.
Speaker 2:No, no. Well, and another point we were kind of just chatting about. That's hard about this, aside from just like behaviors or whatever else you might be dealing with, it's like the constant planning and being the Uber for your kids, like I just I don't know it's that is a never ending process to figure all of those things out.
Speaker 1:I feel that deep in my bones after the last five days. Yeah, I mean, I've said it a million times I don't know how single moms do it, especially single moms that have like majority custody and are truly the one shuttling their kids like everywhere by themselves. It is a logistical hot nightmare and it's just. It's hard.
Speaker 1:But that was one of the topics that somebody had written in I can't remember now who it was, but it was like how do you find balance? How do you find balance when you're your kid's Uber? Know if it was, but it was like how do you find balance? How do you find balance when you're your kid's Uber? And I'm like, does that exist? Because, basically, just like I said, like the the biggest thing, the biggest gift we can give people, is our time, whatever format that looks like.
Speaker 1:And if you're spending your time, your precious time of your day, driving your kids from like extracurricular activities, like that is a good on you for doing that, because that is not easy. But then, like all the other stuff that comes with it, you still got to figure out every meal everybody's eating breakfast, lunch and dinner You've got to prepare for the next day, like it's just the ongoing planning that never ends, at least not for the foreseeable future. Again, grateful to have it, but just all the things that you didn't realize you were signing up for as an adult, and particularly as a parent, like being the decider of what everyone eats for the rest of your life, for every meal.
Speaker 2:Wasn't it a five-year right?
Speaker 1:there's a few occasions where other people step in and decide for you, but rare does that happen. Um, I don't know. I don't have any answers, I don't just, I guess more just talking about it and reminding ourselves that it's okay, that it's okay that it's hard, yes, we're not thriving in all areas of life.
Speaker 1:You know, we just had all that devastation with the hurricane. It didn't hit here, but it hit like north of us and it's like you know in that 10 minutes that I might get on social media in the morning and like scroll, like that's all you're seeing is like all these things to donate to. I'm like I want to do that too. Like where does that fit in the calendar? I want to like look at all these trusted sites and decide where the best you know. But part of me is just like it's just one more thing to add. So I guess that's why we're a village and everybody's doing the best they can thrown in with what they can.
Speaker 2:Well, I think that's it too. I think some days you just need to have those moments where you're just like you know what this sucks, or in this moment things are just really tough, and then you can do like cross comparisons and that's you know. Well, at least we're not, you know, in a war torn zone. I mean, things could obviously be worse. But I think that it's important that we validate ourselves whenever things are tough for us, because otherwise it just I think it's more draining to feel the heaviness of the weight that comes from being just burdened in a way, without acknowledging it. And then I think that once you again you're able to acknowledge it. Like you know, right right now this is a tough period, or that this is a tough situation, or, you know, I don't know quite how we're going to get through this moment, but I know that there's another one coming our ways, just to kind of reframe it. But I do think that just having a bitch session sometimes is necessary.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that doesn't mean you don't love, right, and that's kind of like where we started. When we get on to record. What was that? Two days ago? Yeah, we were just kind of like blah, like verbal vomit, of all the things that were just hard. Right now I was like, is this an episode? Should we have been recording this all along? Because we're really just talking about what's hard right now, which is just, you know, and we don't even have like something. And I again like I don't, we don't have something looming, like no one is sick, we don't have a net, we're not, you know, building our house back from a natural disaster. We don't have anything like major crippling us. But that doesn't mean just like the day to day doesn't get draining and hard.
Speaker 1:I guess, it's more of like how do we keep re-energizing ourselves to, you know, keep going? How do we get ourselves to be like you can do it. You can do it One day more.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that's what I hear so much. Whenever I talk with other parents or things or I hear about like their schedules, they're just like I just need a break. Like that's the most common phrase I think I hear from people Like we just need a break, but then it's like I don't know if there's like a sense of obligation where you want to like as parents, are we the ones putting this on ourselves, like we want to have our kids involved in X, y and Z, or maybe our kids that want to be involved in it? If that's the case, then that's a different story, because then I don't yeah.
Speaker 2:I don't feel like it's as heavy then whenever it's something that they innately kind of want to do and it's good for them and they put. They innately kind of want to do and it's good for them and they sure put effort into success in doing that. But they don't necessarily know that whenever they're in the elementary school years, right, you know. And so at that point you're just trying out a whole bunch of stuff and hoping something fits very much so or as a parent.
Speaker 2:which is worse is that you feel obligated to have them involved in things, because everybody else's kids are involved in things and your kid might not even want to be involved in nothing.
Speaker 1:Or even not obligated, because everybody else's kids are, but because, like you want to get them off screens, like what, what are you going to do? Like you can only make them go outside and play so much and you're like, all right, let's my husband's real big on team sports. Like they need to, they need to, you know, play team sports and if they like one of them, great. If they don't, that's okay too, but like that's big for him. And so you know, great, except for, like we got to get them to all these different things.
Speaker 1:It is very different when it's something they're into versus something.
Speaker 1:You're kind of forcing the issue, because not only are you like trying to like logistically plan everything, you're also like fighting that battle of well, you have this today, don't forget, we got to, we got to leave here by this time, which means, no, you don't get to play with your friend after school, you've got to. You know, bump up, up. So it's just, yeah, it is very different, but I don't know, we keep doing it, we keep plugging along. And once I get there, you know, like yesterday I coached soccer practice, which was interesting, as you can imagine, and I had a lot of help from one of the other dads. But you know, once I get there I'm like these are cute and memories that I'll remember forever, but it just doesn't take away from the drain. I'm sure every parent feels that way. Like watching your kids score run or Jack got a touchdown last week, like different things, like when you see that it's really exciting but it still doesn't take away from like the exhaustion that goes into all of that.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:That's like one moment of like thrill for like a lot of other moments that are just draining and exhausting men are very tough they're only little. For so long that's what I tell myself this too shall pass. Something else will be harder. The teenage years will be hard in a different way, you know yeah, still be driving them around they won't like us anymore and they won't talk to us, you know, so it'll be very different. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Maybe. Yeah, cameron, again, thank God I had an experience with that the driving around. I was one. I was the parent that he missed school the day that he turned 16 because I was like, guess what You're driving here?
Speaker 1:you go like guess what you're driving.
Speaker 2:Here you go. We're missing the school for this one, bro, so here you go. Here's your driver's license. I think he actually probably had a car before he even got his driver's license I'm nearly positive you were.
Speaker 2:so we were like drive himself, yeah, and then it was more like you know, again, he's a golfer, so the golf course was like his babysitter, and you know what I mean. Once you're out there, you're out there and you can't go around and you know you're not supposed to go around and talk to him while there. It was a great sport, still is a great sport for him, but to take him over there and then to come back and pick him up, I mean nine to 18 holes takes a bit and holes takes a bit, and so that was one of the most transformational things that happened was whenever he got his driver's license.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I could see that, and then you're also like worried about him all the time I wouldn't yeah not really, I was never. No, I probably should have been, probably should still be, because also he's driving around, you know, with type 1 diabetes, and does he have everything he needs or not, or?
Speaker 1:right you, or right now you're so good Like you just don't worry about things that are aren't in your control, which is such a blessing. Talk about another layer of strength.
Speaker 2:No, I just find other things to sit and ruminate on, so don't worry. That's true, you do. I'm pretty good at the opposite end of that too, but not with things like that, things that are again like the universe somebody getting hit by a car, whatever, a medical I can deal with all of that stuff Right. It's some of the other things that I just have. That's where that big line of I think patience is infinite, and then in these one areas it's minuscule.
Speaker 2:And so it's like tripwire at that point. So I guess it's balance.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know. What I'm also thinking about is October, and, just like in schools, this is just a time of year where, like the newness has wore off, we have settled into, like the school routines.
Speaker 1:People. You know you might be getting sick, like different things. There's a lot going on and it's also just that time of year, like everything gets harder, I feel like right around October, specifically with, like, if you have young kids, young-ish kids, you know, school-age kids it's just a lot going on. They're in extracurricular activities, there's just a lot of stuff going on. You're trying to plan for the holidays and so, keeping that also in mind and that this too shall pass and you know you'll have an easy season, and then something else is going to roll up and be hard again, hopefully right, that's it At least.
Speaker 1:Constant waves, but it's not constant.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think it's like easy days or moments. To have an easy season would be pretty remarkable. Season's a pretty long time, you know. That's probably too sweet of a taste for us to have, because then it would really feel like the dumps whenever it went away.
Speaker 1:It would be really hard. Yeah, to transition back, for sure. Yeah To like we can do this what's the takeaway from today?
Speaker 2:I don't know. I think it's just the fact that we just said that it sucks and it's tough, and it's okay for us to say that it sucks and it's tough. That's what I think. And there's again we each have different things we're thinking about in our own lives and maybe the listeners are too that it sucks and it's tough to kind of be in various positions and there's sometimes just not an immediate antidote, and that's part of it being sucks, and that's part of it being sucks and that's part of it being tough.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, I guess it's a lot like grief in some ways. You just got to keep finding like those slivers of you know, like silver linings, like I said, like those moments in the day where you're like, oh, I could just bottle this moment like and, and hold on to those, and the other stuff just kind of works itself out, you know you gotta yeah you just gotta be in it and say, okay, this sucks and I don't like it and it's hard, but it is what it is yeah, and I also don't.
Speaker 2:We, I don't this is maybe just me, but we don't need people sitting here like saying, well, think you know what I mean, whenever we want or want to waller in something for a moment let's just waller. I know that this is a moment. I know that I'm. You know, every pig gets out of the mud at some point.
Speaker 1:Okay, you just want to waller, you just want to bitch about it.
Speaker 2:Yes, and that is also okay. We don't need to have a fix for everything in the moment. Yeah, we don't need to, you know, even turn on the sunshine lights. We can just sit there and have a nice waller in the mud and then, whenever we're ready, we'll get out. Just like the other piggies or hippos or elephants, whatever else, these fun animals are just going to play in the mud and get out.
Speaker 1:It's wallowers, just wallows. I got to remember that more with my kids too, like giving them opportunities to just wallow in whatever it is and not try to fix it, or not try to give them the answers, or my 42-year-old perception of it, but just like let them wallow, you know. And I got to start using that word more often because I definitely don't use Waller enough.
Speaker 2:It's a great word. Let West Virginia bring it back out of you. That's what we do. So hopefully again, maybe not heavy on the advice, but hopefully heavy on the validation. Maybe that's a piece Letter, waller Letter.
Speaker 1:Waller Letter, waller, that should be a country song Good Might be, Surprised, it ain't been.
Speaker 2:Ain't been Surprised it ain't won yet, all right. Oh wow, if you got answers for this stuff, you know, I guess you could shoot us a link, but right now we're in the wallery mood.
Speaker 1:We're not asking for help. We just wanted to waller today and feel free to waller back.
Speaker 2:All right, if you want to waller back, yes. And the other episodes will probably be like yeah, send us your tips or your advice, we'll ask for questions here. We want to hear you complain as well. So send us your tips or your advice. We'll ask for questions here, we're in the wall.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, we want to hear you complain as well, so send us, send us the messages. You can text the show directly from our website, lilesspodcastcom. You can find us on facebook, instagram, twitter, tiktok, youtube all of the above. Get in there, waller around with us. Let us know what you're wrestling with at the moment and give us some other topic ideas. I'll be honest with you. We have some good guest topics, but we have struggled here lately coming up with just some other topics. So let us know what you're struggling with so that we can get some ideas as well.
Speaker 2:Yeah, as whale, as whale, real redneck, maybe we'll share our best Waller moments. If you send us some good ones in, then we might We'll anonymously share your comments. That would be fun.
Speaker 1:Yeah, everybody's going through something, something I want to hear what you all are wallering about. Yeah, everybody's going through something, something I want to hear what you all are about Seriously. All right Well until next week y'all.
Speaker 2:We'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 1:We're out, thank you.
