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The LYLAS Podcast
The LYLAS Podcast, Season 4, Episode 66, "GLP What? Empowering Wellness and Weight Loss Options with Special Guest, Lisa Cline, LNP"
Do you experience food noise? GLP-1 confusion? Wonder what options exist to start your wellness journey, especially if you don't know where to start or how to take the first step? Our special guest, nurse practitioner, mom, and fitness fan shares her struggles with weight loss and how these medications transformed her life.
This candid discussion dives into: the pros and cons of weight loss options, the critical importance of maintaining healthy habits to guard against weight rebound once medications are discontinued, and the potential side effects.
This conversation underscores a holistic approach to weight loss, blending medication with lifestyle changes. Tune in for personal stories and insights that will leave you inspired to forge your own path to wellness.
Please be sure to checkout our website for previous episodes, our psych-approved resource page, and connect with us on social media! All this and more at www.thelylaspodcast.com
Welcome to Lylas. If you grew up in the 80s and 90s and you're a sister or you have a sister, you probably know what that stands for and, by default, this podcast is for you. Welcome to the Lylas podcast. We have a special guest today. We're super excited, Sarah. What's today's episode number?
Speaker 3:Is this a?
Speaker 1:quiz. Okay, you didn't think about it either, nevermind 60 something, we'll get that straight. But today's guest is again somebody I've known for a very long time. We actually grew up in the same neighborhood. Our parents still live in the same neighborhood, and so I've kept in touch with you over the years, sort of via social media and what mom tells me. You know, anytime she sees someone in the paper I usually get a phone call about it. But I've kept up with you a little bit. But, like I was saying earlier, I didn't realize. I thought you were just sort of promoting someone else's business recently and then I realized it was your own business.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:So it happened to coincide with a topic that listeners have written in and asked that we specifically cover, and so I thought well, sarah actually thought why don't we get Lisa Klein on? She knows about this stuff? So, lisa, introduce yourself to the Lylist podcast, tell us a little bit about yourself.
Speaker 2:All right, I'm Lisa from West Virginia. I'm a nurse practitioner. I work in the ER here in Charleston. I have three boys, two in elementary school, one in middle school. And yeah, I grew up with Jenny and Sarah went through middle school and high school together, so the nurse practitioner journey. I went through nurse practitioner school as a single mom. I'd recently gotten divorced and we kind of always focused on his career. So I felt like it was kind of my turn, even though I knew it was going to be hard. But I wanted to show my boys that, you know, moms can do hard things too. So I went through nurse practitioner school as a single mom. Everything went fabulous. I've been working in the ER in Charleston for the past almost three years.
Speaker 2:I've always kind of battled with weight myself. Growing up it was never healthy. Eating and exercising was really not talked about in my house. So it wasn't until I reached college years that I really began to take my health into my own hands. So years of exercise you know binging a little bit excessive exercise. It wasn't really like healthy habits. The whole time weight fluctuated.
Speaker 2:And then I started taking trizipatide when it was all the rage. It just came out, insurance was covering it and so I was getting it like most people, for $25 a month. Super Took it for a few months and then insurance quit covering it and I was like, oh man, like I've had so much success on this, you know, it's like completely changed my outlook on food. Like you hear people say, it takes away the food noise and it really does, like that snacking or the constant like what are you going to eat next? If I eat this little piece of cake, then I'm just going to eat the whole cake, so I can't do it things like that Right. So I was trying to find a more affordable option for myself for the weight loss medication and then, once I found it, I reviewed quite a few compound pharmacies, got credentialed to one that I really respected and had good customer service, and developed this business model it's called Virtual Vitality, specializes in GLP-1 medications and peptide therapy.
Speaker 1:Wow. So let me ask you this, because I don't know anything about any of those acronyms, especially GLP-1. So break that down for me. What does that mean?
Speaker 2:It's a glucagon-like peptide, so these are like naturally secreting hormones that live in your stomach and they're naturally secreted, so the GLP-1s just kind of act on those and cause your body to work more efficiently. So the theory is is that it makes you feel fuller longer, talks to your hypothalamus and your brain is like, hey, you're full and it also like decreases GI motility, so you're eating smaller portions and you're staying fuller longer.
Speaker 1:So do some people just naturally secrete more of this hormone? Like, is that you know? Because I do think some people are just hungry all the time. My husband would say and he is, he is hungry 24-7. My daughter is very much the same way and I have a good friend who recently tried this medication. She would very much tell you she is the same way. So do some people just have more of this than others, or how does that?
Speaker 2:how's that in any way? Yeah, so they do not have more of the particular hormone. Obviously, diabet, diabetics, you know that's their own separate thing. But if we're just talking about like obesity, yeah, medication, I think there's a big difference between, like someone who's hungry all the time and then someone who actually like fixates and has an issue with I'm hungry all the time.
Speaker 3:That's a good point. Yeah, I mean, that's a huge difference differentiation, because when we're talking about like a physical sense, they a sensation, and the other it's almost like a thinking or a cognitive pattern, where we just become obsessed with the idea of food instead of just food being food. Is that?
Speaker 2:fair. Yeah, because I've had a lot of girls tell me that like it's taken their food addiction away. Yeah, so it's really been beneficial for that.
Speaker 1:Wow, so interesting. To me this whole topic is interesting because you, I know, have worked out forever. I mean, I would say we're all similar in that we live healthy lifestyles and we make an effort damn it Every day. We're trying our best to be the best version of ourselves we can be. But, you know, sometimes you just need that extra bit of help by us. You know like for some people it just they can't seem. Do you think that it has more to do with our age?
Speaker 2:as well. Like part of it is that we're in our forties and it's just harder to make your weight move down. I do agree with that. To make your weight move down, I do agree with that, it's harder right now, but I have patients from like teenagers that are like borderline diabetics or struggle with obesity all the way up to like 75 year old women, and men too. So I think in general, like it's just people wanting to help losing weight.
Speaker 3:Wow, and with the GLP-1s I mean we just to focus on the ones that are prescribed. You know, the ones that we hear the most about are like the Ozempic or others those require an injection. Are the ones that you're prescribing injections or are they pills Like how are they similar or different to like the buzz ones that we hear about?
Speaker 2:Yes, so the medications that I prescribe are all come from a compound pharmacy. So we do the injectables, just like the ones you hear about is Zembik and Mongero. Instead of getting like an auto injectable pen, you get an actual vial of medication and the supplies so syringes and alcohol pads to draw up the medication each week. Um, and then there's. So they make semaglutide and trazepatide in the injectable form for compound, and then semaglutide also has oral pills. So they have pills. Um, they have drops you can put under your tongue.
Speaker 3:Okay, yeah, Well, that's options. Yeah, that's a lot of options.
Speaker 2:The oral options are not as effective though. Just with absorption it kind of decreases their efficacy.
Speaker 3:Okay, what is the differentiation, then, like between the medications that you've chosen to prescribe? Because, as a nurse prac, you have a pretty good range of what you can, you know, get approved for in terms of your prescription abilities. So what made you lean towards these two medications as ones that you felt strongly about?
Speaker 2:Because I used it personally and I knew it worked and I saw what a change that it did for me and I knew that. You know, if it did it for me, someone who, like, exercises daily, watches what she eats, you know, tries to, you know, to better herself, then there's going to be a lot of other people out there that need access to this. That can also benefit from it.
Speaker 1:That's great. So is there any kind of screening process that goes into like, where are they at mentally? Are they a good candidate for this type of medication? Like I remember, I knew a few people that got weight loss surgery and there was like a pretty rigorous process I feel like you had to go through. You had to lose like a certain amount of weight first and then you were screened. Is there anything similar for this type of treatment plan?
Speaker 2:No, definitely not that rigorous. Pretty much so. Any patient that has desire to lose weight, whether it's five pounds or 100 pounds, can take this medication as elective for weight loss.
Speaker 3:Okay, wow, really, I didn't realize the range could be so light, which is intriguing to me because homegirls been away for a few weeks and you know the five pounds is sneaky.
Speaker 1:I've got this little eight pounds that are just kind of sitting here and, you know, run my ass off and here we are. Seriously yeah.
Speaker 2:So, um, even girls that um, like, just want to lose like 10 pounds because their winter jeans aren't fitting, they reached out and they'll just need like a month, month or two of medication and they're good.
Speaker 3:Wow. So then what about, like we hear all the time, and one of my colleagues back in the day, she did the bariatric evaluation so kind of what Jenny was talking about and would then see patients after surgery and so forth, and it was always a concern about a rebound effect.
Speaker 3:So, what do you do to help to educate your patients on that like rebound effect, because, like, if I'm thinking well, you just need it for like a month or two in order just to kind of, like, you know, get that winter weight off, or the summer wine weight, or whatever it happens to be for whoever. What would you say then is like or how do you coach them so they don't have a rebound effect, or are the medications that you're prescribing not as likely to have such a difference in that regard?
Speaker 2:They can definitely have a rebound effect, for sure. I get asked that a lot. How long do you have to stay on this medicine? Is there a maintenance dose? Can you just come off of it? What happens if you do? All those are legitimate questions and, just like with any lifestyle change, so this medicine promotes a lifestyle change and if you don't keep those healthy habits in check after you stop taking the medication, then you will, you know, gain your weight back. Yeah, but if you stick with the habits, then you don't have anything to worry about.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I love that you put an emphasis on that that it's not going to just fix things forever. You've got to continue on and be diligent and consistent. I don't think we talk about that enough. How much consistency play into anything you do right, you have to be consistent with it. Not perfect, but consistent. I think that's not emphasized enough.
Speaker 1:When we think about, you know, weight loss. I know personally just my friend that is trying it. You know she works out, she eats healthy, same thing. But she had like 10 pounds that just wouldn't budge and she's had great success with like a really low dose. And you know so I that was the first person that I that I personally have known that trialed anything like that. And I was like huh, because I'm the same way. I've constantly struggled with it, I constantly work at it. But I'm also, like you know, I try to be pretty natural about things and, like you know, I had lots of questions. I'm like I have no idea what does this mean and what if you? What are the effects if you're on it long term? Obviously I don't. I don't get the sense that it's meant for like long term use though.
Speaker 2:No, it's not meant for long term use. Glp ones have been around for like almost 20 years, been in different forms. Ones have been around for like almost 20 years, been in different forms, so now they're just much more effective. But yeah, it's not meant for long-term use and studies so far on these specific medications there aren't really any long-term side effects. But again, like they haven't been out that long to know, like a long time down the road.
Speaker 1:Some people do.
Speaker 2:They say like it makes them nauseous or it makes them like gives you an upset tummy. I know that's like one side effect. They have it there, more severe complications, pancreatitis, which is a big one, and it can also cause, like bowel blockages for GI motility. Now again, these aren't common, but they are risks that people need to be aware of.
Speaker 3:Oh, absolutely Any prescription medication you take, basically right, yeah, you've got a list of possible side effects there I think one cool thing that you bring to the table that I've noticed just from following other people on social media or working within um kind of that field of prescribers, is that you actually walk the walk, like you're not just like talking the talk and like giving out like medication, like you're actually going to the gym. You're actually, you know, showing people through your example that this is what you need to do in order to kind of maintain that. I bet that just serves as a way to further inspire your patients that you have and then, in my mind, that makes you more credible coach or practitioner because you actually know what to do. So whenever they are transitioning between that, you know I've reached my goal weight, I'm at that kind of maintenance phase. You can actually coach them then as to what to kind of do next.
Speaker 2:Right, yeah, definitely, that's a great point. And also I've been there with the struggle that they've been through. Women message me and they're like you know I'm desperate, reaching out to you Like I just feel, like you know I've tried everything and nothing's working. I've been there. I get women that are like I'm disgusted with my body. I think at some point maybe not every woman, but you know, we've all kind of said those negative things to ourselves and I don't want any woman to live there. I want them. You know, they need to get up out of there. So if I can help them in a small way, I'm happy to do so. And then, yeah, just showing them that you can work full time, you can have kids, you can work out, you can have muscle and be free too.
Speaker 3:That's right, amen, thank God, right yeah.
Speaker 1:We got to have somebody to be thankful. We can do it all. It is exhausting, though, right, like I'm exhausted a lot of times just watching all the things that you get in a day. However, also inspired because I'm, like you know, I remember seeing you like running on a treadmill when you were like 10 months pregnant. I think you probably delivered later that day. When you were like 10 months pregnant, I think you probably delivered later that day. And same thing like that inspired me when I was pregnant to work out throughout my entire pregnancy up until delivery date.
Speaker 1:Like you just never know the reach you have. You know, just by showing what you do in life and you put it out there. Like I give you that, you put it out there and you're like take it for what it is. And but to start something new and I love like to see the evolution right when you've come from and you've been through a divorce, you're remarried, you've got four or you got three boys, Um, and now you're like, okay, and I'm going to start my own business at 42. So let's just keep going and see what happens next. It's been great, it's amazing, it is really cool. Thank you.
Speaker 2:So do you have to live in West Virginia to be a patient of virtual vitality? You do not. So everything I do is virtual, so it's all telehealth. So, in order to legally prescribe across state borders some legally licensed in West Virginia, kentucky, but as long as you have a telehealth conference, audio or visual, it counts and you can prescribe in other states- Okay, wow, good to know.
Speaker 1:Are these popping up in a lot of states? Like more of a virtual type clinic?
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:That's not necessarily somebody you need to see in office.
Speaker 2:No, what you have in office, some people. There's a clinic in Charleston here locally that actually girls come every week to get their injections.
Speaker 3:So it's like yeah, wow.
Speaker 1:Which if you don't like doing that yourself. I guess that is a good option to have.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah, yeah, there's like I stick myself every day, right.
Speaker 3:Is there a problem? No, but with this too, I mean, obviously accessibility is important because you know people do struggle. Cost is something that often serves as a burden, but you know the relief that you see in a patient's journey with this has to be rewarding. So typically, like, how long is it that you start to notice a change within your patients? And I'm not just talking about, like the number on the scale, but can you hear it in their voice, or can you hear it in like their activities that they're doing, Like can you give us some examples of what that looks like?
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, girls that never post photos like from their like chest area down because they don't like the way they look, now they're posting family photos on Facebook and they feel good about it. They message me and they're like, oh my gosh, like I'm size down in scrubs today, like I can't believe it. This is so great. So, yeah, seeing that and just like rejoicing with them, um, over their accomplishments is great.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I would feel like that. Those um, acknowledging those strides are really important, especially whenever it comes to later on like hey, this wasn't just about the number that you hit on the scale, this is the fact that you now feel really great about yourself and that serves as motivation, hopefully then to kind of continue doing those healthy lifestyle kind of modifications along with it. You know, it's just always. You know it's not just the number, it's everything that you're able to do because you're healthier version of yourself now.
Speaker 1:And the impact it has on your mental health. Just thinking about, like, if we don't tend to see results quickly, we give up, and so if this is something that helps you see a little bit of results quicker on, so that you will, you know, have that motivation to keep going towards your goals, I can see so many benefits to that. Just when you get to a place of despair and I mean, I don't care who you are, I just lost, like I recently lost a few pounds I feel amazing about myself, like the change recently lost a few pounds. I feel amazing about myself, like the change just a few pounds can have on your mentality is so powerful. And so, just you know, it's almost like just having that jumpstart could you know have such an impact.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'd also like to mention that not only like are you losing weight, you're feeling better confident, you know. Now maybe you can have the courage to go work out. There's also, you know, benefits like lower blood pressure, like better lipid profile, you know, decrease your cardiovascular risk, that type of thing. I have a patient that got labs, this routine labs. When she started she was a borderline diabetic and then she got her labs this time and she is no longer a borderline diabetic, wow. And like, all her labs were in check and she blood pressure was great, heart rate was great, and she said it's the first time in two years that my labs have been good. At the doctor.
Speaker 3:That is a big thing, I think. Well, maybe this is specific to us to somewhat, but, like, any time you get labs run, it's almost like a big thing, I think. Well, maybe this is specific to us to somewhat, but, like, anytime you get labs run, it's almost like a report card, you know, and especially if you're doing everything that you can and you still get them back and you're like this is all.
Speaker 3:Fs, you know what I mean. Or like, what do you kind of do here? It's nice to know that there are options that are just a catch-all in a sense, you know, but it is because it's a multi-factored kind of process that somebody's going through so, and just to be able to see that health outcome too I mean talk about longevity at that point you're really like saving people's lives at that. I mean, those are you just mentioned, like four chronic medical conditions that are all wrapped up into one if you don't kind of work towards a healthier version of yourself.
Speaker 1:Right. Why do you think this has taken off like recently? Why? Why isn't this like an option for people? Or maybe it has and we just it's more widespread now, but why does there seem to be such like increased awareness that this is available to women?
Speaker 2:I think because it works. Yeah, awareness that this is available to women. I think because it works. We haven't really seen anything on the market that was this effective in terms of medication Like we've had like the gastric sleeve and the lap band and all that, but this is the first medication that's really had good success and benefits.
Speaker 3:Without scary side effects, like FinFin, from what, like the 1990s, worked Heart attack Not working. You know what I mean Uncardiac arrest, not part of the profile.
Speaker 3:Right, not what you're going for these medications don't have that, and they were discovered almost by accident, right. I mean, like the historical background of them is they were designed as diabetes medications, but then they realized like, oh, wait a minute. Yes, this is helping with this, but also our patients are losing drastic amounts of weight, which is also a contributing factor to it, and now we have this offspring. That's kind of happened as a result, right?
Speaker 2:Right, mm-hmm.
Speaker 3:Exactly. I do have a question, though, because you know, social media has all the stuff on it, and what I've noticed is that now there are like lookalikes to the prescribed controlled medications that are coming out. It's like, you know, the Kardashians now have like a gummy. You know what I mean. That's like a GLP-1 kind of lookalike or something that you can take, and, as you've mentioned, oral forms of medications, especially whenever it is targeting like a hormonal kind of thing, are not nearly as effective as injectables. But are these things just like? I just can't imagine them being as effective as working with a prescriber and actually kind of going through a process. Is that fair?
Speaker 2:It's 100% fair. Don't waste your money. It's a scam. So these lookalikes, you know they're not medication, they're supplements. They're not regulated by the Food and Drug Administration, so you really don't know what you're getting. Administration, so you really don't know what you're getting. So I mean, and anything that is a supplement, it's not designed to like that diagnose or like treat that type of thing. So it's just a scam. It's a money scam. If you want a real medication, a prescription grade, then you have to get through a licensed prescriber.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, I'm glad you mentioned that, because that stuff is just so prevalent and then it's really hard, I think, especially whenever you're at a point of desperation or just feeling super, super low and you see perhaps a cheaper or what people foresee is like a less boundary way to kind of get there. Oh, I can just order this off Facebook and it's going to show up at my door. That's not what we're talking about here and that's also not a way to kind of cultivate good long term change or habit forming behaviors either, because again, you're not working with the person, You're just ordering something online and then you know, God willing, something works out. Or maybe they have like an online coach or something you can kind of do, but it's it's never really the same thing.
Speaker 1:Well, what is the process? Do you have to have a referral to get like? I assume that there's some sort of like diagnosis that takes place before you can get the prescription, so can somebody just straight reach out to you, or they have to go through like a referral.
Speaker 2:They can reach out to me Normally on Facebook it's virtual vitality and also have a website, virtual vitality dot shop. You can actually go on there and request a consult. Consult's $50. Type in their information. We set up a time to chat, so it's like an audio telehealth. We go over like medication history, past medical history, what their goals are, what they want to accomplish, and then kind of discuss the medications that I'll offer. And then we go from there and then, once they decide to pursue this weight loss journey with me, there's no additional fees, there's no like monthly subscription, it's just month to month and I work individually with everyone to adjust their dosing accordingly and then medication is shipped straight from the pharmacy to their house within seven days. So super easy, super easy.
Speaker 1:It's amazing how you've kind of built all of this virtually obviously virtual vitality genius but like just that whole virtual business, like you're not having to stockpile all of these medications, like it's coming straight from the pharmacy to the patient, so, so intriguing to me. And you're still holding down a full-time job on top of all that and I'm like, oh, what did I do today? Oh, maybe like it's breakfast okay, you guys have a podcast?
Speaker 1:yeah, but like you see how, how relaxed it is um, it's just yeah, you're, you're quite inspiring, you never stop.
Speaker 3:You're like the energizer bunny, thank you yeah, for real, and I do think that what you're doing is meaningful and the way that you're going about it is with heart and not with, you know, and I'm not not with other things in place. Again, you understand the life, the struggle, the um, the work, and now you're extending your hand to help to get others to that kind of point with things. So I guess, last question I have like again thinking about the entire population, are there any counter indications for this that are just broad? I mean, every single person is an individual and they're all going to have their own like. Actually, because you have X, this means that you're not a good candidate, you know. Are there any counter indications that would maybe this not be like the recommended route for them to go?
Speaker 2:Um, any history of medullary thyroid cancer. That's like a strict contraindication. Obviously you can't be pregnant and take this. Shouldn't be breastfeeding either, and those are really the only contraindications, like hard stop. If you have a history of pancreatitis, then obviously you wouldn't want to take it because it can increase your chances of that.
Speaker 3:With your diabetic patients. I mean, if they're already on a form of medication, whether it's oral or injectable, to different forms of insulin, is that a problem, Because these medications do lower the blood sugar with this. So I'm just wondering is that cause more monitoring or how does that affect your patient group there?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it definitely depends on what type of medication they're on. If they're on, if they're, you know, on a sliding cell insulin or they have a pump really not the best thing. They are actually trialing it right now in type one diabetics. It's not FDA approved. Some people are using an off label. You'd have to be really careful with that. And then, like you say, someone's taking metformin. They can take a GLP-1, totally different class of medications.
Speaker 3:Okay, that's a good question because I know some people have used metformin as well as a weight loss like an off-label.
Speaker 1:I guess at points. I've heard that before too, wow.
Speaker 3:But to know that there's actually this is what it's designed for. We're not using it as an off-label right Kind of prescriptive basis, that's a definite better route to go down. I feel like, yeah, well, what else can we add to this? Like, have you come across any like I don't know misbeliefs that people had, or anything that you feel like that you just want to kind of clear the air with whenever it comes to these medications?
Speaker 2:Yes, stay off Google. Everyone you know. You Google something about medicine and it says like a hundred things and most people can weed through that and realistically look at it. But you know you got the ones that are like um, is this going to damage my kidneys? Um, some people have like the craziest um situations are like I just took my injection and I have the worst headache of my life. Um, do you think this is from that? And I'm like no, I don't like. So just stay off the internet. It'll fill your head with a bunch of stuff and if you're a worrier, it's not good.
Speaker 3:Totally fair. Totally fair, and talking with a person is your best first step, right?
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah, and I'm always available to my patients. They all have my number. They can text me. So if there's questions or concerns, I'm always available.
Speaker 1:That's awesome.
Speaker 2:That's awesome, gosh, that's great advice.
Speaker 1:It's cleared up a lot for me just in thinking about and I think just we got to destigmatize anytime we use anything to help support our goals, right. It's not. If we're not harming ourselves or others, then no hate, no shade, whatever it takes for our individual goals, everybody's individual, for a reason and you know I think it is just.
Speaker 1:It's so refreshing to have things like this available for anyone. You know, and just because I've never done it doesn't mean I wouldn't ever, and I think that just being open to these possibilities and like you said, seeing there's been so much success.
Speaker 1:Um, now I know two people that have tried it, right, Because you also take it so like, just out of my sample size of two, it's at it's batting a hundred at the moment. It is interesting, though, just or it's just, I think, nice that we have these types of options now, because it's certainly been. We've been having this conversation since we were what like 10, 12 years old Lisa Like body and body image, and you know this isn't anything new for us 30 years of talking about this. But now there are other supports out there available to us to help, and I think that's really the key takeaway.
Speaker 3:Yes, well, thanks for all you do. Thanks for coming on, mm. Hmm, yes Well, thanks for all you do. Thanks for coming on, but again, more importantly, being so accessible and just warm. It's nice talking to Lisa because she's so warm and bubbly at the same time and just compassionate, and it's it's been great to see you do this and now to take this as like you're almost like a mission. It's really cool.
Speaker 2:So thank you and thank you all for having me. I was super excited.
Speaker 1:All right. So where can we find you? We can find you at um virtual vitality on Facebook, right?
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then um online virtual vitalityshop is the website and you can get a consult there and check out what I have to offer.
Speaker 1:Awesome, awesome, yeah All right, well, that's all we got for this week. Thank you guys. So much for tuning in. Until next week, y'all Lylas.
