The LYLAS Podcast
If you know what LYLAS stands for, then this podcast is for you! Two besties since middle school turned moms and psychologists dish on "the good, the fun, and the yucks" of life! We're tackling all things mental health, "mom balance" (whatever the hell that is), transitions in life (divorce, career, aging parents, parent loss, loss of friendships), self-care, travel, healthy habits, raising kids, and allllllll the things us midlife mamas are experiencing. We hope each week listeners feel like they just left a good ol' therapy session with their bestie! We'll dish on all the tips and tricks to keep your mental health in check and enjoy this thing called life! Meet your life's newest cheerleaders-- Sarah & Jen! LYLAS!
The LYLAS Podcast
The LYLAS Podcast, Season 4, Episode 65, "Cycle Syncing: Cracking the Code"
Feeling off? More moody, irritated, drained, disengaged, "all the things?" If you are in the mid 30's-mid 40s, guess what it could be hormonal... In this episode, we recognize the gaps in women's medical health, particularly as it relates to perimenopause, and share our experiences in the hunt for answers. From using tracking apps for daily food and exercise recommendations to how we can make more informed choices to better our health and relationships, we discuss it all. Most importantly though we dish on the importance of self-awareness, and self-forgiveness. Together, let's embrace life's fluctuations with grace and harmony.
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Welcome to LILAS. If you're a child of the 80s and 90s, you probably know what LILAS stands for, especially if you're a woman and, by default, this podcast is for you.
Speaker 2:That's right. Every time you say that I start to laugh because I think about how many times we wrote that notes going back and forth, and then it always just brings back that warm feeling of nostalgia that comes with things. You know it does.
Speaker 1:And most of the time when people are like, oh, what's your podcast called? And I say the Lylas podcast, they, you know, get like the head turn, like what's that? I'm like you know, like love, you like a sister, and they're like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, like jogs the memory, you know, but it usually takes a minute, what's that?
Speaker 2:Anyhow Fun stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, if you're a lady in your midlife era, this podcast is for you. How about that? That's right, that's right, especially this one. This one is really for the women.
Speaker 2:This is, and you know we do have a lot of male listeners, which we are so thankful for. We totally appreciate you guys a bunch. Maybe this one will be more informative and you know, I'll probably take the stance that, because I'm not as informed or as versed or as educated or practiced in this is what Jen is, but I think I will encourage a supportive role for all of our, our partners, in this time. How about that?
Speaker 1:how about that? I am actually no expert. I just listen to a lot of podcasts, I read a lot, I scroll social media a fair amount. I follow a lot of perimenopausal women these days. I mean, the algorithm definitely has me figured out and, in line with, we kind of briefly talked about this in season three, cycle syncing. If you're wondering what today's topic is, it is cycle syncing. We're kind of coming back to that because when we first talked about it it was very new to both of us. We're just sort of exploring this idea.
Speaker 1:I will say it's something I've definitely put into practice in recent months. I feel like it has made some positive impact in my life, but I do think it's like anything, you have to give it time to work and you have to get better at refining your adherence to the practice. If you will right, it's a practice, it's a framework, whatever you want to say, it's an idea of trying to support your hormones through the different stages of your cycle. So just to recap, because not everybody might know, that we have different stages within our cycle. A woman's cycle typically lasts what like 28 to 32 days or 35 days, I think is what it is, and so within that we have different phases. So you have, like, your bleeding phase, which is self-explanatory. You have your ovulatory phase I feel like I say that word where you're ovulating, obviously that's where you are likely to get pregnant, if you of our child rearing years, and you have your luteal phase, which happens between your ovulation and your bleeding phase, and then you have your follicular phase, which occurs right after your bleeding phase. So I probably said that a little out of order, but basically it goes follicular, ovulatory, luteal, and then your bleeding phase, and so those can range.
Speaker 1:I think the luteal phase is the longest. It seems to last the longest for me, just because I'm a 42 year old woman that has taken no hormone replacements or anything like that. So everything my body is doing naturally um, you know it is right, along with textbook, what's supposed to be happening at this time in my life. But I, you know, I'm not on birth control, I don't take hormone replacement, so it is just as basic as it comes. Let's just say that things are changing, times are a changing, so that's just a little recap of what that is. Did I get all that right, dr Stevens?
Speaker 2:Yeah, totally not a medical doctor, but yes, and also I appreciate the fact that you said them all, because that is not pronunciation, as we know, is not my strong suit. So excellent job.
Speaker 1:Thank you so much. I'm still not sure that I said it correctly. The whole premise, though, of cycle syncing is that you are aligning your workouts, or your daily movement, and what you're eating to the phase that you are currently in, so that you can support your hormones, because we know our hormones fluctuate throughout each one of those phases. So right now, just to give you a general idea, I'm in the luteal phase, which typically happens, you know. It's where you're a little bit more introverted. You might want to stay home, kind of like nesting, not feeling very social.
Speaker 1:Your energy starts to tank the longer you go into this phase. It's sort of prepping your body either for a baby, if you're pregnant, or prepping your body to signal the bleeding phase. Your body to signal the bleeding phase, so your hormones sort of rise throughout the month, and they're like at their peak during your ovulatory phase, and then they slowly kind of decline, and then, once they get low enough, that's what triggers your bleeding phase. This is my understanding. I am no medical professional. This is just an independent research person's information. So so the in theory, you know, that's also when you tend to.
Speaker 1:When those hormones are dropping, that's when you tend to experience a lot of PMS symptoms that we have grown accustomed to like being a bitch and it gets on your nerves and a lot of mood swings and, just like I said it, you know it's one of those uncomfortable emotions that we go through every month. If you're a man and you have never experienced these things, I am very happy for you. I wish I didn't have to experience this. However, I wouldn't give up being able to have a child for anything. So I love being a woman, but it's not fun at times, and so I'll do anything that I can to try to alleviate that and not be a bitch to my family for the week before my menstrual cycle which isn't even a great term to use my bleeding phase, although I hate saying it, I know right.
Speaker 1:So it's, yeah, it's just, but it is what it is and I think also let's remove the stigma from that, like this has been going on since the beginning of the human race. Like women have a period for a reason and for a beautiful reason and let's celebrate that instead of being like that's gross, you know Right.
Speaker 2:Is it celebrate that instead of being like that's gross, you know?
Speaker 1:does it feel good? No, not exactly, but you know what it gives life, and that does feel good, and that is beautiful, and so let's just celebrate that a little bit. I also think it's worth celebrating if you do have a regular cycle of some sort, because you know a lot of people don't.
Speaker 2:A lot of people don't.
Speaker 1:Struggle with with different aspects of that. So I'm in a celebratory mood. I'm not really not really in a great mood. Today. It's full moon, but celebrate that. So cycle syncing I think I had mentioned this before, right. The app that I use. Tell us again no, so it's called 28.
Speaker 2:She's like, of course, you did.
Speaker 1:Of course she didn't look at it. Great, okay, um, but I encourage you, it's a free app, it's on your phone, you put in.
Speaker 1:Obviously you need to know so if you're on birth control it might be a little tricky for you, um, but I think most people can still tell when they're ovulating. So if you have some sort of date in mind, you do have to put in, like when your last bleeding phase was, so that it knows how to track it. But you put that information in and then when I open the app every morning, it'll say you have this many more days until your period. And it'll say it's got different tabs on it and it'll say here's some things emotionally on it and it'll say here's some things emotionally you may identify with today. That's cool.
Speaker 1:Here's some things your body might experience and you can even log and this is all free. You can even log like different symptoms, like if you're having a weird discharge or, um, anything, if you're having some sort of odd pain, you can log those symptoms so that when you go to your doctor I don't know about you, but I can't remember shit when I'm sitting in that room. So sometimes I'll pull it up and I'll be like oh yeah, I did experience, blah, blah, blah. At least I have a record of some of the odd symptoms I may have experienced and you have a reference point, right. If I get on there and read that I'm in my ovulatory phase, and it'll even say you might experience like discharge or increased sex drive. You know, whatever things are typical. It's like oh OK, these are typical symptoms for what phase I'm in Nothing to be alarmed about, right? So it gives you a frame of reference which I really like, a frame of reference which I really like yeah, I like that.
Speaker 2:Whenever I hear you talk about it, it just it's like taking the mask off of something, as you said, that has been so cloaked or so private or not discussed or talked about, even by medical providers or professionals or anything.
Speaker 2:It's just like it's a hush thing. You know, it's more of a hush topic, I think, than almost anything that I can identify, which is sad because it is normative, but yet as a culture it's just turned into this tab. It is so taboo or it is so looked down upon. Yeah, stigma, I think is the right word, it's uncomfortable, but it shouldn't be, because that's just what it is. But I think is the right word. It's just, it's uncomfortable, but it shouldn't be, because that's just what it is. But I think hearing the normalization of experiences and how they're linked to biology would just be such a nice thing to have in hand, or even as like a warning point. You know, like if I, maybe I will download the app, wake up in the morning and be like Maybe I will download the app, wake up in the morning and be like hey, by the way, just in case later on, a little spicy Like let's be mindful, right, give me some patience.
Speaker 1:Hey, I'm trying to balance my moods, but here it is Like I can't affect. I can't help that. My hormones are literally like plummeting through the earth at the moment, like I can't control that and so I am going to be a little bit short tempered or, you know, pissy or whatever. Things are going to bother me more than they normally would. It's not you, it's me. But also don't walk around and being like, oh your hormones, like that's also not helpful you know, Like maybe just give me some grace and roll on.
Speaker 1:Let that roll off your back.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Right All the time, you know. But I think it brings up a good point. Like I have young kids, right, I have a six and a nine year old, nine year old boy, six year old girl, and I think everything that we have done up to this point, we're trying to, everything we teach them or talk to them about that might be uncomfortable, whether it's maybe we haven't talked about sex, but like they obviously have asked where babies come from and how you make babies, and we've given them like little bits of information that we felt like was developmentally appropriate for them, but even like just using very biological explanations for things. This is what this means and this is what happens. And you know, you made a good point where it's always been like almost like in a source of embarrassment for women.
Speaker 1:I know I can personally tell you I've been embarrassed about certain things in life related to my period, whether it was like a spot on my pants or something you know, something to that degree, or even like embarrassment for a peer I can think of in high school, you know. And so I think it's equally important that we prepare our boys for this, so that it doesn't become, you know, let's remove the stigma altogether, so that hopefully the next generation doesn't have to experience that embarrassment, that feeling of oh. I ran into so-and-so in Walgreens and I had a tampon box in my hand.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:You know everybody takes a shit. You don't get embarrassed when you got toilet paper in your carton, but you do. I mean I know I have before run into somebody with a button to my hand and I'm like hey, hey, you know, but you don't do that with toilet paper.
Speaker 2:No, I love that. Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1:It's a function that happens. It's nothing to be embarrassed about. It just is what our bodies do, and for an amazing reason what our bodies do, and for an amazing reason.
Speaker 2:But that is a good point with it is that we don't get embarrassed whenever it comes down to toilet paper, like no one says anything, you know, but there does have this. There is that just kind of like, oh yeah, you know. Or even people are just kind of looking at you differently and it's like what is that really necessary? But I mean, we've been conditioned through time and experiences and everything else to kind of feel that way. But this is where I think you're right on this too, that educating our sons, our husbands, so maybe we wanted this to be more. Maybe this is for them, maybe this is for them.
Speaker 1:Men will be like a bro Lylab.
Speaker 2:It's just to kind of acknowledge and be a part of that If you're going to be in a relationship with a female, whether that's your partner, your child or whatever, your mother, you know, this is just kind of like a part of life and I think all of us taking a more embracing, informative kind of approach to it would be very helpful.
Speaker 1:I mean, it has opened my eyes to so many things that are hormones, control and I definitely had no prior knowledge and just listening to podcasts with, like respected medical professionals that know what the fuck they're talking about and you know reading about things you know it has opened my eyes to like even how we perform at work, you know has a lot to do with where we are in our cycle. How we experience digestion has a lot to do with where we are in our cycle, you know I, and so sometimes I would get so frustrated like I'm eating the same things that I always eat. It has a ton of fiber, ton of fruits. I drink a crap. Ton of water. I can't take a shit Like what's the problem Now?
Speaker 1:I understand it's part of a hormonal imbalance and not like something I'm doing wrong. Right and so, just like that information is so powerful in how we treat our bodies, like last night I'm just gonna lay it out there, like I was so uncomfortable and I was like I need to go for like a really long walk.
Speaker 1:I need to do something. It did not get the results I had hoped, but it's more of like oh, I know this is directly related to hormones right now, because you know of what I ate today or whatever. I just know that I have a sluggish system at the moment.
Speaker 1:So I just I love that it gives you so much knowledge about your body, because, as women, I feel like there is so much information that we were not given and that we're just expected to kind of know all this, and I mean, I don't know any of this stuff, right, and we only go to those providers like once a year, you know, unless there's something else going on.
Speaker 2:And so at that point even that experience is completely and totally uncomfortable. And you know, thank God we have it, it's a necessary type and visit and everything else, but I mean everything about it is just seeming to be again having that distinguished quality of discomfort. I think it does come down to kind of like normalizing and celebrating it. For sure, I love my OBGYN. She's one of my favorite provider Love her Same.
Speaker 1:Love my OB provider. Love her Same. Love my OBs. I've seen several of them over the last couple of years for different reasons, but I love all of them. I think they're great.
Speaker 1:But not one of them has ever brought this up to me Like, hey, did you know you can support your hormones throughout your cycle? No, no one has ever said that. And maybe there's, you know, not enough education out there. I don't know. I mean, I don't know, like I don't know. I don't speak on their behalf, but like I think it's interesting that those things aren't even, like, brought up. You know, if I come in and I'm saying I'm experiencing X, y, z, like that, that's not even a conversation that we're having. So, going back to the app, it will give you literally a list of foods that you could eat during, you know, for that day, and it changes daily, right, even if you're in the same phase for several days in a row, like the foods it tells you to eat will change each day and so like meal plan your week around, like okay, I'm in this phase this week, so I'm going to make sure I really up my vitamin C because clearly, like just going through the things there's, but there's a focus on vitamin C here.
Speaker 1:So, how many different ways can I get this into my diet this week? Or, just thinking about that, if I'm going downstairs for a snack, I'm going to grab an orange versus, like you know, I don't know pretzels. I know that that is going to be more supportive, or I think it is. At least. I'm trying this to see if it helps support my hormones. I'm also looking to see if it has any impact on, you know, my cycle. I won't get into the details of that because nobody wants to hear about that, but you know, and I've definitely noticed changes in the last year, and so I'm looking for ways to better support and just see if it's making an impact. Yeah, the other thing I love is that it will give you different types of workouts to do on different days, and sometimes that's hard.
Speaker 1:Like I'm talking to sarah, who's an ultra runner. She runs a million miles a day and so is she going to you know, change her training plan based on her cycle? Probably not. She's going to follow that training plan, but she may not do a speed run that day. Maybe you would do a recovery run that day, right? Or maybe you might do five miles in the morning. Break it up so that you're not stressing your body out. Because I've definitely learned as we get older a lot of it is about controlling our cortisol levels and not stressing our body out. And I don't mean like just stress from outside world, but, like you know, I ran 12 miles the other day. Like that stressed my body out I know it did, and so I probably wouldn't do that if it was like the first day of my bleeding phase. Sure, sure, because that's not going to support my body. Like.
Speaker 2:I would.
Speaker 1:I would plan that 12 mile run for another day. Yeah, and so it. You know it's not necessarily going to change your workouts, but it might change. You know the effort you put in that day, how long those types of things you might still do the same activity. I guess what I was saying.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, or even just the awareness, can allow you to be a little bit more self-forgiving. You know like, I know that just from observation, as tracking as well as you do with things. But if cause I keep track of everything, um, except that which is that maybe that's why I've got calories, I've got heart rates, I've got my blood sugar. You know one more thing what right?
Speaker 1:one more thing, one more thing.
Speaker 2:But I know that like, for example, like in a yoga practice, like there's even certain breathing techniques you're not supposed to do, depending upon where you are at as a female within your cycle.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay, because it is. Yeah, it can actually just make things a little bit more challenging to kind of cope with or deal with or can make things more soothing depending upon where you're at. Like I've actually had been in numerous classes and CE kind of things where it says you know, if you are going to practice this specific type of like breathing, then you need to advise a class, like if anybody is in this partner cycle, you may want to do something different, or if you're just not comfortable, so that we're not like singling somebody out there. You know, here are some other options, but if you're this person, this is not, this is counterproductive to what you're trying to do.
Speaker 2:And I always found that to be interesting. I was like, well, that's really cool, but then it's like things like balance and flexibility, I mean all of that gets impacted. And then if you again allow yourself to notice these changes but don't have the awareness, then you can start doing that negative self-assessment which is, oh, I'm just not. You know I shouldn't be doing this, I'm too tired, or you know I'm getting close because I'm getting old. Whatever that can kind of trigger without the education awareness it can trigger, the negative thoughts that kind of come into play which can then just start that whole bear's wheel of hell all over again.
Speaker 1:That's right, or demotivate you, right? You're like you know, maybe you're really working hard at something and you got to like go out one day and you're like I'm not getting the results, I can't run as fast or I can't run as long. Well, maybe it really has more to do with your cycle versus you and the work that you've put in. I love that. You said that it kind of gives you that freedom to give yourself grace and kind of reevaluate. Well, maybe this wasn't the best day to do a 22-mile run, or however far you're going to run today.
Speaker 1:Just give yourself some grace for what your body is doing, capable of doing, on that day. I think that's so beautiful, that our bodies change from day to day. You know that, while it may seem like one more thing to keep up with, you know, I truly believe like it starts with us and we have to take care of ourselves first if we want to take care of you know, if we want to take care of other people.
Speaker 1:And for many of us who are raising daughters you know, if we want to take care of other people and for many of us who are raising daughters. I'm on a mission to figure out all the things that I didn't know, so that she already starts off her life as an adult woman with a leg up Like she's going to know all this stuff or at least be exposed to it. These are things that her mom tried and talked to her about and showed her. You know how to do these things.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So I think it's important. I know it feels like one more thing, but I truly think it's important to take care of ourselves.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the information that you get from it is a game changer, I think you know.
Speaker 1:Um, that's a, that's a motivator for me to kind of be more interested, for sure, I'm sure there's other apps out there, like I did download another one, but a lot of them, you know, are for profit, which is fine, and there are like you can buy different aspects, like you can actually get like a meal plan off of it.
Speaker 1:I don't purchase those things. Like I feel like the. I feel like it gives you a ton of information, and so I mean I haven't felt like I've needed that. I've been able to go off what it tells me and and implement it. And so I mean I haven't felt like I've needed that. I've been able to go off what it tells me and and implement it. And I mean I feel like I've noticed a difference. Is it a hundred percent? Am I like Mary Poppins, you know, 30 days out of the month? No, but I'm also not a raging lunatic Like I can be, um, when my emotions and my hormones are fluctuating.
Speaker 2:Oh, totally.
Speaker 1:And it is changing. And you know, and I'm embracing that change, I thought I was having my first hot flash a couple weeks ago. Turns out I just had COVID. But you know, I was like okay, hot flashes, here we go, like even more reason to support your hormones.
Speaker 1:But I think I was listening to a podcast. I wish I could remember who it was. She was very knowledgeable woman in the medical profession. She had been an OBGYN for many, many years and she was like I've had no PMS symptoms forever because I have been cycle syncing since she was like 18 years old. Yeah, she's like I just you know, she was like it does work, um, but just listening to her and how I was like wow, how empowering that would be to have her as a doctor at such a young age.
Speaker 1:Imagine taking your, your daughter, to her first OB appointment and having this practitioner explain to her what her body is going through every month and how she can support her body to have you know homeostasis and and how that's going to affect that child forever as she rolls through life and gets into her childbearing years and things like that. So I'll find it and I will tag it on this episode. But she developed an app. I was like how did I get to that? She developed an app and I did look into it. But, like I said, I've just found what I like and so, yeah, sticking with it.
Speaker 2:I love it. Well, and again, the more information I think that you have allows you to be more self-informed, reflective, and then ability to change, because if you're not any of those things, then it's just like you're a victim, so to speak, of the world, the body you know. I think that they even referred to it as, oh, they're getting the curse. You know, I mean, that's what it was referred to. Maybe that's an Appalachia thing, I don't know if it is or not, but it was like they're getting the curse and it's like, fuck, you know. I mean, is that menopause? Yeah, it's like, I don't, like I don't know. That's whenever somebody is like going through puberty and they was referenced it. Then all the curse is coming upon them and I'd be like, well, what do you mean? Like I'm not into witchery, like what's happening here, but that's what it was referenced as by a lot of people. And then it's like the curse lifts at a certain point in time. It's like, well, what, what?
Speaker 1:yeah, no, and that's all the information you get there, you are it's the same thing when we talk about menopause. You know a I didn't even know there was such a thing as perimenopause until two years ago, and then you know, we've talked about that as well on this podcast. But the this whole idea that there's like this pre-menopausal period where you're also going through a lot of you know, bodily changes, and then menopause has always been like, oh, and all the symptoms I mean I don't know about you, but like that's all I ever heard about was like oh, yeah, this is what you're going to go through and it's like, well, but what about all of this information that apparently has been out for a long time about how you can alleviate some of those symptoms? Like it's not a death, it's not a death sentence? You don't have to have like the worst hot flag. At least I don't think so.
Speaker 1:I should say that I guess that's part of like me. Trying these things is like can I, when I get to that point that's not, you know probably 10 years from now, a decade away, when I get to that point that's not, you know probably 10 years from now, a decade away will it alleviate some of those symptoms? Will I suffer less from menopausal symptoms?
Speaker 2:I don't know but fuck, it's worth a try, right?
Speaker 1:Yeah, this is the whole preventative approach People already talk about, right? This is what we talk about Like why not take a prevention stance versus like a reactive stance? And I'm not saying I'm against, like hormone replacement or anything like that. I think everybody's got to make those choices for themselves, and with their medical practitioners. But I just know for me I'm going to try everything that I can, naturally, yeah, and just see what works. Like I think of it as a science experiment.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and we get to be the experimenter, the observer and then the you know all the things and the decision maker. Yeah, so do it with information.
Speaker 1:That's right. Do it with information. Hopefully, this has given you a little bit more insight into cycle syncing. Definitely check out the app 28. I encourage everybody to do it, whether you are just trying to to do it. Whether you are just trying, you know whether you're still in your childbearing years or or not. I think it's a great um a tool just to help understand our bodies. We deserve that right.
Speaker 2:A hundred percent, cause that's what we're just trying to figure out every day anyways, right, right, and the more things that we can have again would be super beneficial. But just even from like a self-normalizing standpoint, self-forgiveness, and then as a like a communication tool to other people, I just think normalizing that would be really important because for just as another example you've mentioned, toilet paper and tampons like when my blood sugar drops, my mood changes completely, and everyone that is close to me knows this and you know what I mean Like these are the changes that are getting. Insulin is also a hormone that happened as a result of a biological change that manifests itself in terms of emotional responses, motoric abilities, you know your entire life functioning Well. This is kind of the same thing, but it's easier to talk about blood sugar than oh yeah, I'm right here in this cycle, you know, and that's a problem.
Speaker 1:You know, everybody is affected when their blood sugar drops, not just diabetics. Oh yeah, like I turn into a bitch too if I haven't eaten in 12 hours or if I worked out really hard and didn't eat breakfast, you know, and so I think, also just recognizing, that's what I love about the app. It'll say you know, during this phase, like you're more sensitive to insulin or to blood sugar spikes, and so it'll say, like you don't want to go more than two or three hours without eating something. So do you need to do that during every phase of your cycle? No, but you do during, I think it's the luteal phase, like you do then because you're going to be more sensitive to those types of spikes. And so, again, like that knowledge is such power, it's like I might be able to skip breakfast, like in my follicular phase, but not in this phase.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Like unless you want to be a raging lunatic, right Then. Sure, right Then, sign up. Right, you've got like some MMA fight tonight. Cool, do you? Don't eat for 12 hours, but if you have small children that need your help with their homework, you might want to eat every two to three hours, definitely.
Speaker 2:A hundred percent% Right. Right. If you have people that you live with, you know that might be an idea.
Speaker 1:Might be an idea, so take it take it early, that's all I got. That's all I got. That's as far as I've gotten into it. I like I will definitely continue it because I've definitely seen the impact, but I love it to be continued. Maybe we'll do a follow up in a year or so.
Speaker 2:Right, that's what we tend to do, because I mean as much as things change, I think that we see the benefit. We've been able to look back on our previous discussion of this and see how much we've learned since then. Yeah, you know. So it's that self-education, the continued interest and development, all of that stuff, you know. So what, if you revisit things year after year, maybe you kind of should, absolutely.
Speaker 1:We should always be reevaluating and what's working, what's not working, you know, because what works for me might not work for you in this person, right? So you've got that for yourself, but we're all just skinny pigs. So you've got that for yourself, but we're all just skinny pigs. Anyway, that's all we got this week, until next week. Y'all Lylas out.
